It's worthwhile to point out that the American public's ignorance towards the Federal Income Tax is a testament to how dumbed down and oblivious the American population really is.
First of all the Federal Income Tax is completely unconstitutional as it is a direct unapportioned tax. All direct taxes have to be apportioned to be legal, based on the Constitution
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anyone want to start their militia? fight the man, i can show you guys how not to be a target that gets burned alive by an overpowering F.B.I.
1st after you beat the crap out of ATF make sure you dont let them leave but finish them off. 2nd dont wait around in the compound for the second attack wave of the F.B.I.
set up explosives around the property mixed with diesel fuel, fertilizer ,nails and ball bearings cans or pipes and spread it around.
second head out to the woods and spread about 5 miles from the compound cabin while maintaining a small unit inside the building in order to draw them in. p.s. make sure you have underground escape tunnels to escape CS and flames..
once ur outside from the 5 mile radius you can sneak up on the snipers and marshals who will have taken firing positions from a mile away.
another good idea is to make friends with certain middle eastern ppl to supply you with RPGs for the one or two tanks they will have acquired and about the three choppers that will be flying in the vicinity.
to keep from showing up in infra red you might want to have some good insulating material or try to stay in a close tight ball when the choppers approach in order to reduce ur heat signature and confuse them with you being an animal. a Ghillie suit would also help and most importantly try to live in a tight nit community who will help support you and hopefully get them to uprise against the man.
Make sure you and your followers and town ppl can get their political views across america and they have cameras video taping every illegal thing the FBI, ATF do from cussing and being unprofessional to threatening your life, career and family or freedom which they will do..
make sure you constantly ask for names and under what statue, law or constitutional right are they doing what they are doing...
you know that the FBI set him up and tried to force him to be an informant by threatening his freedom and family right?
aside from that it should be illegal for law enforcement to coerce or have someone commit a crime when the law enforcement is the one pushing them and handing them the tools to do it.
at the least the agent should also be held accountable for conspiring and being an accessory to a crime...
also the sniper agent who shot the mother, his actions were considered unconstitutional by the court and he has yet to be held accountable for his actions. a few months or yr later the same man was again being reviewed during the wako incident and him killing a 17 yr old while he was cleaning a water silo.
Originally posted by inimalist
not that I don't share your sentiments about Ruby Ridge, but there is an even better way to avoid what happened there:Don't sell illegally modified firearms to neo-nazis
But that is a restriction on their right to bear arms. If they can't buy guns how are they supposed to overthrow the government?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
you know that the FBI set him up and tried to force him to be an informant by threatening his freedom and family right?aside from that it should be illegal for law enforcement to coerce or have someone commit a crime when the law enforcement is the one pushing them and handing them the tools to do it.
at the least the agent should also be held accountable for conspiring and being an accessory to a crime...
also the sniper agent who shot the mother, his actions were considered unconstitutional by the court and he has yet to be held accountable for his actions. a few months or yr later the same man was again being reviewed during the wako incident and him killing a 17 yr old while he was cleaning a water silo.
yup, not a real nice case at all, I totally am on your side on this, except:
he got tangled up in it in the first place because, after moving his family into the hills to avoid the government, he started bringing his children to a white supremacist compound (not that he shared their racist views, more their survivalist, anti-state and pro-gun views). He sold firearms to some members, but unfortunately, supremacist groups were at that time heavily infiltrated by the FBI. They hassled him, and to get them off his back, he sawed off some shotguns in his garage and the FBI proceeded with a military style ass ****ing.
All I'm saying, no matter what you believe, don't sell guns to neo-nazis. If for no other reason, the FBI does effectively infiltrate them very frequently.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But that is a restriction on their right to bear arms. If they can't buy guns how are they supposed to overthrow the government?
Originally posted by inimalist
All I'm saying, no matter what you believe, don't sell guns to neo-nazis. If for no other reason, the FBI does effectively infiltrate them very frequently.
by the way rachel weaver is pretty... 😮 and i am sorry for her loss.. 🙁
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But that is a restriction on their right to bear arms. If they can't buy guns how are they supposed to overthrow the government?
that is the whole point of gun restriction it is done so it is less likely for it to happen since you will not be able to match the military firepower with non automatic wpns.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
that is the whole point of gun restriction it is done so it is less likely for it o happen since you will not be able to match the military firepower with non automatic wpns.
read Orwell's "The Atomic Bomb and You"
people haven't been able to stand against state power since the 50s
i know we as civilians cant stand up to the military fire power due to tanks and planes... but no american military is suppose to ever to be used against the american ppl which leaves law enforcement to deal with it.
i know that more then likely the military would be used but it would be the greatest shame and the moment that the US. is no longer the country of our fore fathers but would now be a totalitarian government led by the few. the sad part that any soldier/warrior to fire and kill a american civilian no longer deserves to wear the flag since he will have violated his oath and promise to protect his land and ppl..
but aside from the military we as a ppl should still be able to overpower ur standard law enforcement and besides if we as a ppl were to try to fight the government then we dont square off against their enforcers but systematically kill those in charge swiftly. it sends the message we the ppl are the government and you the few in power are not... its how most uprising and over turning governments work.
indeed
when has there been a civilian uprising in a modern Western state though?
like, there are valid arguments for gun ownership, defending oneself against the state is delusional. Actually, I think it does more to harm the idea of gun ownership, because it paints gun owners as being unstable people who are primarily interested in using their guns for force.
It is ideas like that which are the fundamental reason why some form of gun control is necessary. If the citizenry wasn't paranoid of everything, and wasn't encouraged by government and media to be paranoid of each other, maybe we could talk about this reasonably as adults. So long as second amendment supporters think it is reasonable to bring loaded, military grade, assault weapons to crowded political rallies, they are the quintessential reason for gun control.
It has nothing to do with government power (and it is delusional to think of yourself as a "Louis Riel" of the modern world), but rather to do with the fact that gun nuts harm more people than their guns could ever protect.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
but aside from the military we as a ppl should still be able to overpower ur standard law enforcement
This would create an arms race, first against the police and then against criminals. People would have to spend their whole lives learning to defend themselves and kill other people, I think most people will give up a few right in order to not be forced to live in that environment.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaosyou mean you havent spend your life learning how to fight and kill to defend your constitutional freedoms?
This would create an arms race, first against the police and then against criminals. People would have to spend their whole lives learning to defend themselves and kill other people, I think most people will give up a few right in order to not be forced to live in that environment.
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no loss of freedom is worth having a little bit of security.
Thomas Jefferson
Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
Thomas Jefferson
For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.
Thomas Jefferson
I am mortified to be told that, in the United States of America, the sale of a book can become a subject of inquiry, and of criminal inquiry too.
i can go on and on with these quotes but you get my point. i am a military man, i am hard headed and have strong view on freedom and liberty and i will die and fight against some one who tries to take it away from me even if its from the police, F.B.I. or any government official and i have in the past fought against dirty cops and i would do it again... P.S. i was found not guilty and my charges were dismissed.. 😉
also i was asked if i wa not afraid of the cops not drawing their guns, i answered i was in full control of the sitaution and if they had reached for them i would have escalated into deadly force.
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you think the social circumstances of rifle ownership during a war of independance aren't different than assault weapon ownership in heavily urbanized environments in a modern nation state, versus a victorian imperial state?
not to mention, Jefferson would have believed that the constitution was not written in stone. The founding fathers didn't want it to become the religious text it is today.
Originally posted by inimalist
lolyou think the social circumstances of rifle ownership during a war of independance aren't different than assault weapon ownership in heavily urbanized environments in a modern nation state, versus a victorian imperial state?
not to mention, Jefferson would have believed that the constitution was not written in stone. The founding fathers didn't want it to become the religious text it is today.
no, its the same thing to me different times different wpns but same tyrants.
not a religious text but our root beliefs and the foundation of our nations that were to change and grow but not completely be removed or trampled.
some of what he hated and fought against are still some of the same things that are still present today. he was against corporations then and i would hope he would be against it now especially if he were to find out how our government has bn out sourcing to the private sector(corporations) the same ppl who lobby for things that are against the greater good of the ppl.... the same ppl that try to get government officials to vote or side with them through the use of funds...
i would think jefferson would be just as angry now as he was then when it came to our government monitoring our purchases in books or any medium that allows for dissemination of information.
Thomas Jefferson
I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
hitler
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
no, its the same thing to me different times different wpns but same tyrants.
tactics that worked 200 years ago have been incorporated and castrated by the ruling elite, its like why an organized protest movement is incapable of making the changes it did in the 70s
spears against a tank man
not to mention, the social situations are different for many significant reasons. The existance of cities with millions of people living in extremely close proximity being one of the most important.
no, it is the masses apathetic nature that keeps us from affecting change, otherwise we as a ppl would have uproars with presidents violating federal and international laws, judges politicians being sent to jail. the problem is we dont care enough nor are the masses willing to sacrifice or endanger themselves for what is right and constitutional which is what allows american corporations to get away with mass murder in foreign soil, cover up or harassed lowly employees as if they were the government themselves.
Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude.
Thomas Jefferson
One man with courage is a majority.
Thomas Jefferson
jefferson would not agree with the way you are interpreting his work /shrug
also, you are way more optimistic about the ability of single individuals than reality would warrant. People can be important, yet you really have not supported the idea that a modern citizen revolt could defeat the modern state in a military confrontation. Best you could hope for is destabalizing it to the point where a power vaccum occurs, and if you think the government is fascist now, wait until someone fills the vaccum
you actually think the military and those who have taken vows to defend the constitution and its ppl would be used and being willing to squash a civilian uprising?
also that is your opinion about how you think old jeffy would feel, i personally think he would have a tear roll down his cheek as his lip quivers at my patriotism.
That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves.
Thomas Jefferson
The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government.
Thomas Jefferson
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.
Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
you actually think the military and those who have taken vows to defend the constitution and its ppl would be used and being willing to squash a civilian uprising?
ummm, yes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
also that is your opinion about how you think old jeffy would feel, i personally think he would have a tear roll down his cheek as his lip quivers at my patriotism.
you have taken what he tought was to be a document requiring constant revision and created a religious absolutism of it, the very type of absolute rule the Mythology of the American revolution says it was supposed to be against in the first place.
You have turned King George into a document