Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement
httXp://wXww.international.gc.ca/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/fo/intellect_property.aspx
(Remove the capitalized X's to view link.)
Do you think that building a greater legal framework internationally regarding copyright infringement and piracy is a positive course of action or do you disagree with these negotiations and it's proposals? Discuss.
Originally posted by Ultraviolence
Hasn't someone already explained to you that, because I am a new member, I cannot post links?They most certainly have, as seen here:
Would anyone like to provide a meaningful reply?
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Pwned by the new guy.
Originally posted by inimalist
lol, well, you showed him by quoting something from another thread
why not give a little editorial on what this thread is about?
He did provide a brief description, but it is lacking his own thoughts on the positves and negatives (for or against arguments). I'm no very familar with this international effort against coutnerfeiting. I would like to know more. I may watch the vid, later.
Here it is, with the X's removed:
http://www.international.gc.ca/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/fo/intellect_property.aspx
Originally posted by inimalist
lol, well, you showed him by quoting something from another thread
why not give a little editorial on what this thread is about?
I basically just wanted some thoughts and opinions on this new international ACTA agreement and what effect it will have on the world of piracy, amongst other things.
Do you think any nation state has the will or ability to enforce anti-piracy laws within their own boarders, let alone on a geo-political scale?
If there is money to be made from the industry, and nothing is done to influence demand, all stronger enforcement will do is increase the violence and criminality of the people who engage in supplying the market.
So like, if you go after the moms and pops who pirate software and movies in china, organized criminal groups will step in to do it (which they have)
in this case, demand for almost as good quality product (lets not fixate on things like computer games and anti-piracy issues) for a much lower price is driving piracy. To end it, you need to create a population that no longer is motivated to want something obtained illegally for cheap, and an effective way to do this might in fact be to create scary international anti-piracy agreements that are nearly unenforcable.
EDIT: I could see more low end (like music downloaders or whatever) being charged so the government/law enforcement might fatten its wallet in this economic slump, but the problem is, most synidcates who pirate things have equal, if not better, funding and sophistication. Cyber crime like this is the freaking wild west right now.
Originally posted by inimalist
Do you think any nation state has the will or ability to enforce anti-piracy laws within their own boarders, let alone on a geo-political scale?
They have the ability, certainly. Groups like the NSA have the needed resources to do it, they just lack the will and generally have better things to do with their time.
Originally posted by inimalist
To end it, you need to create a population that no longer is motivated to want something obtained illegally for cheap, and an effective way to do this might in fact be to create scary international anti-piracy agreements that are nearly unenforcable.
I would go with staging a massive failure of the video-game industry caused by illegal downloading. Or alternately scrap all laws against piracy and force the industries to change the way they do business.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They have the ability, certainly. Groups like the NSA have the needed resources to do it, they just lack the will and generally have better things to do with their time.
Fair enough, that was more my point. I don't know if it has changed, but when the whole napster thing broke, I remember the RCMP stating that it wouldn't be allocating any resources toward music piracy for the simple fact that it is a waste of time.
The connection between organized crime and some piracy, especially in recent years, is cause for legitimate law enforcement concern
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I would go with staging a massive failure of the video-game industry caused by illegal downloading. Or alternately scrap all laws against piracy and force the industries to change the way they do business.
the funniest thing about the computer software industry in this regard is that they have created this sort of self-fofilling [I wish I had spell check on this PC] prophecy, whereby the anti-piracy measures included in software made it totally unusable for a significant portion of buyers, and unconvienient for everyone else. Pirated versions of games and software are almost universally more user friendly than the origionals, especially once you understand the concept of mounting an iso to a virtual drive (explained in the normally well written readme files that accompany pirated software).
your suggestions are, of course, more logical than what is being done, and the idea that the problem might be in the business models of these huge corporations is preaching at the converted... When I start earning a decent wage I need to remember to donate to lots of these sites and freeware companies I frequent, else I am the hypocrit elite.
Originally posted by inimalist
your suggestions are, of course, more logical than what is being done, and the idea that the problem might be in the business models of these huge corporations is preaching at the converted... When I start earning a decent wage I need to remember to donate to lots of these sites and freeware companies I frequent, else I am the hypocrit elite.
That's one of the reasons I buy stuff from Steve Jackson games rather than stealing their products. In fact I consider this to be one of the coolest things on the internet (tl;dr version, it's their EULA in simple english)
Another thing I find interesting: Rifftrax is almost impossible to find illegal downloads of. Demondoid actually removes their stuff immediately if it shows up on the site.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's one of the reasons I buy stuff from Steve Jackson games rather than stealing their products. In fact I consider this to be one of the coolest things on the internet (tl;dr version, it's their EULA in simple english)
I try to buy stuff when I like it, music is hard because a lot of what I like i would have to order from overseas (and I can't be bothered to get a working credit card to shell out money for a release named "No copyrights"😉.
that is amazing though. I did always think it was a trick for the companies to make their EULAs so dense that it intimidates people, and gives them additional control of the property rights.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Another thing I find interesting: Rifftrax is almost impossible to find illegal downloads of. Demondoid actually removes their stuff immediately if it shows up on the site.
isohunt has them
that is weird though, it really makes me eager to see where things are going with this. For as pessimistic as I can be, the new sort of horizontal marketing that is actually working is going to be so revolutionary. Like the music industry only for everything.
and 3d printers....