Originally posted by Omega VisionMagneto's hatred for homo sapiens is surpassed only by his hatred for Al Quaeda 😐
To a lesser extent Magneto's part in the comic was also stupid. Unless a good portion of the WTC's population was made up of mutants I can't see him caring much. After all on one occasion he actually thought of sending all humans to death camps and in Marvel Zombies his alternate self actually spread the Zombie virus in the hopes it would destroy the human race and allow Mutants to inherit the Earth.
Re: Top 10 WTF Moments in Comics
Originally posted by Kazenji
http://www.craveonline.com/entertainment/comics/article/top-10-wtf-moments-in-comics-99117/1
The entire Batman R.I.P. is one big WTF.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Heres one: Sally Floyd telling Captain America that his brand of patriotism, you know the kind that emphasizes honor, justice, commitment to the Constitution, and all that crazy stuff is outdated and how America cares more about MySpace and American Idol and then, and this is the kicker, Captain America, the ultimate speech giver, not having a decent rebuttal. Not even a "shut the **** up you vapid *****!"Was the writer seriously expecting the reader to agree with Floyd or was he performing a brilliant stealth parody of the overall crappy writing that plagued Civil War? The world will never know. 🙄
Considering she was bang-on and patriotism is stupid, I'd have to disagree. Patriotism is outdated, the world isn't at war anymore. You will never have to defend your land against foreign invaders, you never had a hand in making your country what it is. There's no reason FOR you or anyone to be patriotic.
Captain America's whole thing is that he's the product of a bygone era, Steve at least. He believes in an America that has never existed, and will never exist. America will never be the things he defends it as. It's far from the racially tolerant, honourable, defendable country he paints it as. Same with any country, because people are simply too diverse.
She was right to say what she did.
There's nothing to fight for and nothing to defend, so that's why nobody cares. The only people who do are the people who "support the troops.", despite everything that's happened.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Considering she was bang-on and patriotism is stupid, I'd have to disagree. Patriotism is outdated, the world isn't at war anymore. You will never have to defend your land against foreign invaders, you never had a hand in making your country what it is. There's no reason FOR you or anyone to be patriotic.Captain America's whole thing is that he's the product of a bygone era, Steve at least. He believes in an America that has never existed, and will never exist. America will never be the things he defends it as. It's far from the racially tolerant, honourable, defendable country he paints it as. Same with any country, because people are simply too diverse.
She was right to say what she did.
There's nothing to fight for and nothing to defend, so that's why nobody cares. The only people who do are the people who "support the troops.", despite everything that's happened.
-AC
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Heres one: Sally Floyd telling Captain America that his brand of patriotism, you know the kind that emphasizes honor, justice, commitment to the Constitution, and all that crazy stuff is outdated and how America cares more about MySpace and American Idol and then, and this is the kicker, Captain America, the ultimate speech giver, not having a decent rebuttal. Not even a "shut the **** up you vapid *****!"Was the writer seriously expecting the reader to agree with Floyd or was he performing a brilliant stealth parody of the overall crappy writing that plagued Civil War? The world will never know. 🙄
No, she was just making a point that Cap was defending an idealized America that doesn't exist, and was being unrealsitic in his goals and could have avoided so much of the destruction if he could have recognized that. It wasn't what she believed fully - she just wanted Cap to come to grips with modern society.
Originally posted by roughrider
No, she was just making a point that Cap was defending an idealized America that doesn't exist, and was being unrealsitic in his goals and could have avoided so much of the destruction if he could have recognized that. It wasn't what she believed fully - she just wanted Cap to come to grips with modern society.
Originally posted by roughrider
No, she was just making a point that Cap was defending an idealized America that doesn't exist, and was being unrealsitic in his goals and could have avoided so much of the destruction if he could have recognized that. It wasn't what she believed fully - she just wanted Cap to come to grips with modern society.
Her grasp of modern society seems... extremely shaky, to say the least. If not outright flawed.
Saying 'myspace' and 'American idol' doesn't change that Capt was fighting for fairness and protecting people who were being attacked for putting their lives on the line to help others (and in many cases, were willing to just sit down and step aside if they were given that option- it was the pro-reg side that forced the fight after all).
Capt has always defended American's ideals, the important ones at least, but not by closing his eyes to what America's like, and heck, what a lot of the pro-reggers like Maria Hill were doing really deserved fighting (she tried to kill him for not enforcing a law that hadn't been put on the books. That's like, 6 kinds of illegal, and it would've been easy to get Capt to at least stand aside, if not at least help track down some anti-reg people, if they didn't try that). It's not like the anti-Reg heroes were causing much of the destruction so complained about either- the pro-reg had almost all of the heavy hitters and weren't circumspect about using them!
The anti-reg methods could've been done better, more PR as opposed to just hoping the truth'd out itself, but the pro-reg forces got out of control and thought they could flout the safety of others and every other rule in the book to carry out their goals. It's no wonder they created such big security holes that a crazy person could just waltz in and take over, the precedent of disregarding due process in favor of whatever's popular at the moment had been established.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Which leaves the conclusion that the writer was suggesting that all any of us care about is materialist crap and MySpace and to Hell with Captain America for thinking there's anything wrong with that or that people can maybe rise above it. 😬
Unfortunately, that's most of western society when you look at it.
She didn't think to hell with it - she wanted Cap to see he was fighting a battle he couldn't win, in the end.
They were making a deliberate parallel with 9/11 in the Stamford incident - that most of the general populace seemed to agree suspending many civil liberties was a price worthy to pay for safety. Yes it would be great if everyone could just stand up for what's right in the greater scheme of things, but Cap found by the end that the populace wanted the opposite, and it saddened him.
Of course, they found the downside of it pretty soon after, just as we found out how draconian things got in the post 9/11 world.
Originally posted by roughrider
Unfortunately, that's most of western society when you look at it.
That's one way of looking at it. There are others.
She didn't think to hell with it - she wanted Cap to see he was fighting a battle he couldn't win, in the end.
She has a very odd and dumb way of saying it.
Originally posted by Q99
That's one way of looking at it. There are others.She has a very odd and dumb way of saying it.
I just saw an unsophisticated airhead with a pretty face who tried to act like a real reporter by berating an American hero with retarded criticisms of his lack of memetic awareness.
I personally prefer this fan-made rehash of the page over the original comic:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/Linkara/AT4W/Capsright.jpg
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Projecting intelligence or insight onto a moron simply because you might agree with her views is all kinds of wrong.I just saw an unsophisticated airhead with a pretty face who tried to act like a real reporter by berating an American hero with retarded criticisms of his lack of memetic awareness.
I personally prefer this fan-made rehash of the page over the original comic:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/Linkara/AT4W/Capsright.jpg
👆 That was a quality link
Originally posted by roughrider
Unfortunately, that's most of western society when you look at it.
She didn't think to hell with it - she wanted Cap to see he was fighting a battle he couldn't win, in the end.
They were making a deliberate parallel with 9/11 in the Stamford incident - that most of the general populace seemed to agree suspending many civil liberties was a price worthy to pay for safety. Yes it would be great if everyone could just stand up for what's right in the greater scheme of things, but Cap found by the end that the populace wanted the opposite, and it saddened him.
Of course, they found the downside of it pretty soon after, just as we found out how draconian things got in the post 9/11 world.
I actually live very close to where the Stamford event happened in Marvel (well, I obviously live in the real world, not Marvel - you know what I mean).
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Projecting intelligence or insight onto a moron simply because you might agree with her views is all kinds of wrong.I just saw an unsophisticated airhead with a pretty face who tried to act like a real reporter by berating an American hero with retarded criticisms of his lack of memetic awareness.
I personally prefer this fan-made rehash of the page over the original comic:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/Linkara/AT4W/Capsright.jpg
Don't forget to mention she visited Tony Stark and gave him a different kind of hell, sarcastically applauding him for his sneaky tactics (involving Norman Osborn) that manipulated opinion over to his side - basically saying "Hey, you lied for the greater good as you saw it. Aren't you happy now?" Stark was angry & ashamed at having it shoved in his face like that.
