Originally posted by 753
In this sense that speed relates to physical strengh and light weight I agree with you, but then strengh is not the dominant factor in absolute numbers. Like I said, speed also has traning and experience components to them. Those guys can oneshot hatsumi it's true, but so can he and he's actually pretty fast and good with feigning.Just watched the video, as a biologist I cant really say that guy knows what he's talking about. Even in the stone age, factors like stealth, acuraccy, stamina, wits and the intelectual faculties involved in making tools and understanding prey behavior and the environment still counted more than strengh for a successfull hunter/gatherer. The strongest individual is not, at all, necessarily the best hunter, and among primates he usually isn't. Even among, lions for instance, the males are twice as heavy and 4 times stronger than the females, but are still far less effective hunters. If we compare lions to african wild dogs who weight 40kg each and are even more effective pack hunters because of strategy, greater intelligence, more stamina and sometimes superior numbers it becomes even more obvious that strengh is not the most important factor in the wild. Snakes are usually considered top efficiency predators - they have some of the best success/failure numbers - and they do it through stealth and poison.
His claim that even today strengh is the most important factor in life is puzzling, the most powerfull and influential people in the world by all acounts are not the phisically stronger. And if we consider happiness the goal of life, I see no evidence that physically stronger people are happier either. Of course general health is among the most important things in life, but that's not what he's getting at there.
When he says strength he means a body's over-all capability to last, say, in the vacuum of space the longest, ergo longevity, strength speed durability blood neuron signals, everything that makes the body operate and sustain all functions, and the body's mass itself, not too much, not too little, is what he describes as strength, he means that at any instant this is the most important thing in life because we are mortal organisms and not machines or Gods. Say you are peak human, just enough strength, size, and in good enough health, you'll die in the vacuum of space, but how long you survive in space is determined by what Rippetoe describes as strength.
Ozymandias and Batman are close enough in skill and ingenuity, and are as equally close in physical strength (as expressed in Rippetoe terms) to make the outcome of this fight impossible to know.
But in this kind of a fight Year One Batman, aside from pre-crisis, is most suited to survive against Ozymandias. Year One Batman is a "rookie", his skills are lacking, but his physical strength (in Rippotoe terms) is the dominant factor in a scenario where there are few options there is little to know aside from how to cause and avoid physical damage against another human mamal that shares one's own strengths and weaknesses. Batman as of Year One knows enough about that to physically out-do any other Batman, save Pre-Crisis.
That is ALL I'm saying.
Re: Bruce Wayne (Batman: Year One Novel) Vs Adrian Veidt (Watchmen Novel)
Originally posted by \\S//
Ozymandias threw an over 200-pounds-of-muscle adult male (the Comedian) through a plated glass window after overpowering him, Batman threw a S.W.A.T. through a brick wall. Ozymandias kicked open a heavy wooden door while it's chain was locked, Batman cracked the base of a hardwood oak tree with his legs alone using the bat-kick. Ozymandias caught a ****ing bullet, Batman was described by a S.W.A.T. as being so fast that he could be "anywhere" and proved a very difficult target for several S.W.A.T.s armed with automatic assault rifles to hit because of his speed alone.This is a good fight, Batman, in his late 20's, possesses a working knowledge of several martial arts, proven when he observed that Cat-Woman only knew Karate, and Batman trained his body as well as his mind to perfection. Ozymandias trained his body and his mind to perfection by a later age (early 40's) as well using the Veidt Method, he also studied "martial training".
Vs
Hand to hand martial arts fight to the death in an alley way in the roughest part Gotham City. No weapons or prep.
That's not a very good comparison with the SWAT and The Comedian. Batman Year One isn't fully trained to combat someone like Ozy.
Wins goes to Adrian.
Re: Re: Bruce Wayne (Batman: Year One Novel) Vs Adrian Veidt (Watchmen Novel)
Originally posted by WickedDynamite
That's not a very good comparison with the SWAT and The Comedian. Batman Year One isn't fully trained to combat someone like Ozy.Wins goes to Adrian.
TBH, I think Year One Batman is trained to use a wider spectrum of martial arts than Ozymandias, Batman, even in Year One, probably knew as much about the human physiology as a surgeon, Ozymandias knew more, like a surgeon plus a brain scientist, but that by no means indicates that Batman isn't adequately trained by any means.
Originally posted by \\S//
When he says strength he means a body's over-all capability to last, say, in the vacuum of space the longest, ergo longevity, strength speed durability blood neuron signals, everything that makes the body operate and sustain all functions, and the body's mass itself, not too much, not too little, is what he describes as strength, he means that at any instant this is the most important thing in life because we are mortal organisms and not machines or Gods. Say you are peak human, just enough strength, size, and in good enough health, you'll die in the vacuum of space, but how long you survive in space is determined by what Rippetoe describes as strength.Ozymandias and Batman are close enough in skill and ingenuity, and are as equally close in physical strength (as expressed in Rippetoe terms) to make the outcome of this fight impossible to know.
But in this kind of a fight Year One Batman, aside from pre-crisis, is most suited to survive against Ozymandias. Year One Batman is a "rookie", his skills are lacking, but his physical strength (in Rippotoe terms) is the dominant factor in a scenario where there are few options there is little to know aside from how to cause and avoid physical damage against another human mamal that shares one's own strengths and weaknesses. Batman as of Year One knows enough about that to physically out-do any other Batman, save Pre-Crisis.
That is ALL I'm saying.
okdok, although to me this definition of strengh has more to do with general physical health, which is important.