I'd atleast during knightfall have considered bane to be batman's nightmare villain in the sense that to really trouble batman you need to both a psychological and combatative threat.
Most of his rogues gallery are either one or the other.
I'd go with ultimate Red Skull. He's an absoluet psycho and unlike most of batman's rogues can straight up beat him in an encounter.
Originally posted by khazraWhy not just use 616 Red Skull?
I'd atleast during knightfall have considered bane to be batman's nightmare villain in the sense that to really trouble batman you need to both a psychological and combatative threat.
Most of his rogues gallery are either one or the other.I'd go with ultimate Red Skull. He's an absoluet psycho and unlike most of batman's rogues can straight up beat him in an encounter.
Originally posted by DeadlineIts not that simple. Joker represents everything Batman fights against. Nothig would make Joker happier than getting killed by Batman. If not by Batman then by someone else, all just to prove a point. But its safe to say if he dies he'll take a few thousand people with him.
Yeah right. Just because Batman is too much of a ***** to kill him.
Originally posted by MrblondeLook what Daken did to Bullseye. Also Batman oneshotted Bullseye in a crossover.
Bullseye look what he did to Daredevil .
Originally posted by SamZED
Its not that simple. Joker represents everything Batman fights against. Nothig would make Joker happier than getting killed by Batman. If not by Batman then by someone else, all just to prove a point. But its safe to say if he dies he'll take a few thousand people with him.
Yeah saving 100s of lives by getting killed would prove Jokers point. No he wouldnt neccesarily take 1000s of people with him.
Originally posted by DeadlineHe most definitely would. Last time he got close to dying he almost took the entire planet along with him, what's a few 1000s?
Yeah saving 100s of lives by getting killed would prove Jokers point. No he wouldnt neccesarily take 1000s of people with him.
Originally posted by SamZED
He most definitely would. Last time he got close to dying he almost took the entire planet along with him, what's a few 1000s?
Also you can drop the sacrastic tone anytime you want, we're just debating.
What about the 100s of times when he hasn't been that much of a threat so your just picking that one example.
Originally posted by SamZED
I personally would've killed Joker myself on Batman's place. But it's not that simple. Joker's point is - he's normal, everybody else is not. And not the other way around. He believes anyone can be droven to the point where he or she would commit a coldblooded murder, even of innocent people. Which means they're just like him but like to pretend to be "normal". Sure they could kill Joker. But once these sane people decide that the only way to keep the world safe and "normal" would be by comitting a murder, that'd prove his point that they're just like him. If Batman ever kills him it'd destroy everything he ever stood for. It'd mean that anyone can be a murder when he's left with no choice, itd mean that everyone IS a murder deep inside but is fooling himself by livving in a blue fantasy world. Especially Batman who believes in doing things by the book. That's why he's already "perfect" for Batman.
Its not murder its self defence. facepalm
Originally posted by Deadline
What about the 100s of times when he hasn't been that much of a threat so your just picking that one example.
Originally posted by DeadlineIt's self defence if you find him and shoot him in the face? facepalm Noone asked Batman to put on pijamas and run around trying to stop lunatics. Most of the time HE attacks Joker when Joker is about to kill someone else, that doesnt qualify as self defense.
Its not murder its self defence. facepalm
Originally posted by SamZED
So you're gonna be like that eh? Ok, fine. List all those 100 times. Right now.
He's only been so close to death ONCE (that's why I picked that example) and almost destroyed the world. No reason to think it'd all go safe and dandy the next time.
Even when he was simply in danger (not life or death kind of thing) itd still result in lotsa people dying.
People have treid to kill him before and he hasn't tried to take the world with him.
Originally posted by SamZED
It's self defence if you find him and shoot him in the face? facepalm Noone asked Batman to put on pijamas and run around trying to stop lunatics. Most of the time HE attacks Joker when Joker is about to kill someone else, that doesnt qualify as self defense.
Its a forgone conclusion that hes going to kill again, Legally its murder morally it isn't. Hell im preetu sure laws have been passed were certain people can get shot on sight. It could be argued he has a moral obligation (but of course you shouldn't break the law).
It's not legitimate defense of self or others if you can stop a threat with less than lethal force and chooses to use lethal force anyway. That's why batman doesnt do it, he's good enough to contain him without having to kill, otherwise he would. The problem is that they live in a comic book world with bad joke-useless human institutions where a man with no superpowers leaves a maximum security security whenever he wants to and kilsl again - why dont they keep him drugged and down at all times? is it his immunity to poisons?
Batman should make his own prison for his looney toons anyway. Not killing is understandable, but always giving them up to the legal authorities that cant handle them is just stupidity at this point, vigilantism is also illegal to begin with, so kidnapping them isnt a stretch