Originally posted by inimalist
look, its global [b]warming, if any part of the world isn't getting hotter all the time the whole science behind the idea is false. That is how it works. You can trust me, I am totally a scientist and understand all the ridiculously complex climate systems that I reduce into short phrases that fit on bumper-stickers. [/B]
...and your from Canada. 😄
Originally posted by Bicnarok
The problem is the short time we have been here, or have made records of temperature and such nothing much has happened so we assume it as being "normal" the way it is, when in fact there is no "normal". Anything could happen in the next few years to totally change the way the earth is.In fact I heard some scientist on a science radio (Dr Karl) show mention that it did actually stop for a few hours a few years ago then started again, and they don´t know why.
agreed. Global warming or not, its definatly best for society to try and find a way to adapt to a constantly changing environment rather than make huge efforts to try and hold the ecosystem in stasis, especially as you said, given we have such a small understanding of these systems in a historical context
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
...and your from Canada. 😄
unfortunatly, the anti-global warming memes have become so popular that it is no longer an American phenomenon
teachers in the UK wanted to show "The Global Warming Swindle" alongside "An Inconvenient Truth", for instance
the trite little "ohh, look at this" sort of facts I was mocking, along with a couple of ROUGH winters (not the last 2, but for a few years before that) made it easy to convince people that "warming" wasn't so solid (and the stupid leaked emails haven't helped), even though, climate change scientists predicted more extreme winters due to "warming" a decade ago at least. Even among my well informed friends, "global warming" is looked upon with huge skepticism.
Originally posted by inimalist
Even among my well informed friends, "global warming" is looked upon with huge skepticism.
On the same token, I look at the anti-global warming propganda with huge skepticism.
For instance, anti-global warming freaks went ape-sh*t over the increase of the antarctic iceshelf. I was quick to point out that the Arctic ice has melted at a far faster pace than the antarctic shelf is recovering. You would have been so proud of me, on that day. 😮
Originally posted by dadudemon
The Canadians are more likely to die from AIDS than global warming: it just so happens that some people in African could die from both. fear GLOBAL AIDS!
certain areas of our economy actually stand to improve with an increase in temperature, though some of our current niche industries are failing.
That being said, I was listening to a radio program about the new infrastructure development that is going to need to be done in the thawing permafrost of the arctic in order to facilitate a functional north west passage shipping route and it gave my Randian side a huge errection. I'm actually really excited to see what comes from the changing climate.
Less so for the global aids, ya...
Originally posted by inimalist
unfortunatly, the anti-global warming memes have become so popular that it is no longer an American phenomenonteachers in the UK wanted to show "The Global Warming Swindle" alongside "An Inconvenient Truth", for instance
the trite little "ohh, look at this" sort of facts I was mocking, along with a couple of ROUGH winters (not the last 2, but for a few years before that) made it easy to convince people that "warming" wasn't so solid (and the stupid leaked emails haven't helped), even though, climate change scientists predicted more extreme winters due to "warming" a decade ago at least. Even among my well informed friends, "global warming" is looked upon with huge skepticism.
As it should be. However, skepticism doesn't mean dismiss out of hand.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I hope you have me included in that category. :"(On the same token, I look at the anti-global warming propganda with huge skepticism.
For instance, anti-global warming freaks went ape-sh*t over the increase of the antarctic iceshelf. I was quick to point out that the Arctic ice has melted at a far faster pace than the antarctic shelf is recovering. You would have been so proud of me, on that day. 😮
no, not at all
I mean crazy in the way you implied, the "omfg, how could humans impact the environment, i mean, come on" types.
Its the strangest thing to. I mean, I'm aware I am just buying the scientific consensus, and I do this on all issues pretty well, and so do these friends, on every single issue but this. Its weird to see them justify that too. 🙂
but no, I'm not so stupid to think anyone who thinks the IPCC isn't divinely inspired is a moron.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
As it should be. However, skepticism doesn't mean dismiss out of hand.
I actually meant 'skepticism' the meme, which is how pseudo-climate science has presented itself to the public. The same way many creationists try to pass what they preach as "Evoloution skepticism"
skepticism as a stance is obviously good
Originally posted by inimalist
I actually meant 'skepticism' the meme, which is how pseudo-climate science has presented itself to the public. The same way many creationists try to pass what they preach as "Evoloution skepticism"skepticism as a stance is obviously good
My head is hurting too much to deal with memes. The question of global warming is a scientific question. I can't stand when politicians chime in on a scientific question. All they are able to prove is how stupid they are.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
My head is hurting too much to deal with memes. The question of global warming is a scientific question. I can't stand when politicians chime in on a scientific question. All they are able to prove is how stupid they are.
the question of policy is an inherently political one however, and the ignorance of politicians about scientific matters is apparent even on issues with far less cultural significance.
The potrayal of basic natural and biological research as being "frivilous" in a recession is a good example of this. Not that there isn't a valid question about funding, but in how misinformed about the processes of the accumulation of knowledge through experimentation the political class truly is.