Originally posted by quanchi112And that is an oblivion feat how?Also I find it hard to imagine that infinities enchantment(if that is the right word) would still work after Quasar was nullified.
Quasar was powered up by Infinity and he defeated Oblivion's avatar and not because he had more power.
Also how do you do a bold text?
Originally posted by Black bolt z
And that is an oblivion feat how?Also I find it hard to imagine that infinities enchantment(if that is the right word) would still work after Quasar was nullified.Also how do you do a bold text?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/misc.php?action=showbbcode
You have to put a slash before the second b.
Originally posted by Black bolt zSo you didn't even read the arc. I notice you do this a lot yet debate anyways. Why is that?
And that is an oblivion feat how?Also I find it hard to imagine that infinities enchantment(if that is the right word) would still work after Quasar was nullified.Also how do you do a bold text?
Originally posted by Blanket
So he stands around for a long time, and then absorbs Nekron?
Except Eternity has done things... on panel.
So, every destroyed universe goes back to 616 Oblivion?K. Still doesn't explain how he wins.
And then you answered how Oblivion wins... so...
And getting KO'ed by Iceman is like his only feat in battle (his other feats involve Deathurge, and his offspring that came back into him)... and Iceman is 'space'.
hum... he stalemated infinity and is on pair with the other 3 in the cosmic compasse (death, eternity, infinity).
Eternity's avatar on panel feats are generic and unimpressive, he also jobs all over the place. In a forum battle should that matter? Can a character that owned eternity's representation automatically destroy the universe? I don't think so.
If we are talking about the real thing and not those silly avatars, then destroying eternity means busting a universe and destroynig oblivion is simply inconceivable.
As for their avatars? Aunt may can take them down with PIS, which is what the iceman thing was, PIS beyond SMvsFL
What are we talking about here? A fight between a decaying corpse with a scickle that can be taken down if someone ressurects some z-lister and a weird vagrant with rags arround his head that gets KOed by a snow avalanche or a conflict between death/precambrian silence/the void between subatomic particles vs the very absence of being?
If it's the latter and not the former, they either stalemate (and it's difficult to picture the two of them interacting at all) or, if we assume nekrom is space in a fashion similar to infinity, oblivion will ultimately devour him as it has done before in the cosmic cycle (the problem here is that it requires assuming whatever cosmos they interact in will follow MU's pattern) - this is how he would win, by undoing space and taking it into nothingess. Has he ever done it on panel? No. But we know it's happened adn will happen again.
IMO, abstracts require no feats, they're not people and if they are ever treated like that, it is PIS. We should look at them based on what they represent, not on what spandex wearing microbes manage to pull out of their asses to 'defeat' their stupid looking avatars that fire energy blasts from their hands.
Even if we take a fight between their avatars and not the real things, what would really happen in a PIS free battle? Nothing, it is not in oblivion's nature to ressurect people and he would have no jurisdiction over DC's dead, and nekrom wouldn't even scratch the man with his face covered, he is not alive to begin with. They just stand arround forever in their cosmic redundance.
Originally posted by 753
hum... he stalemated infinity and is on pair with the other 3 in the cosmic compasse (death, eternity, infinity).Eternity's avatar on panel feats are generic and unimpressive, he also jobs all over the place. In a forum battle should that matter? Can a character that owned eternity's representation automatically destroy the universe? I don't think so.
If we are talking about the real thing and not those silly avatars, then destroying eternity means busting a universe and destroynig oblivion is simply inconceivable.
As for their avatars? Aunt may can take them down with PIS, which is what the iceman thing was, PIS beyond SMvsFL
What are we talking about here? A fight between a decaying corpse with a scickle that can be taken down if someone ressurects some z-lister and a weird vagrant with rags arround his head that gets KOed by a snow avalanche or a conflict between death/precambrian silence/the void between subatomic particles vs the very absence of being?
If it's the latter and not the former, they either stalemate (and it's difficult to picture the two of them interacting at all) or, if we assume nekrom is space in a fashion similar to infinity, oblivion will ultimately devour him as it has done before in the cosmic cycle (the problem here is that it requires assuming whatever cosmos they interact in will follow MU's pattern) - this is how he would win, by undoing space and taking it into nothingess. Has he ever done it on panel? No. But we know it's happened adn will happen again.
IMO, abstracts require no feats, they're not people and if they are ever treated like that, it is PIS. We should look at them based on what they represent, not on what spandex wearing microbes manage to pull out of their asses to 'defeat' their stupid looking avatars that fire energy blasts from their hands.
Even if we take a fight between their avatars and not the real things, what would really happen in a PIS free battle? Nothing, it is not in oblivion's nature to ressurect people and he would have no jurisdiction over DC's dead, and nekrom wouldn't even scratch the man with his face covered, he is not alive to begin with. They just stand arround forever in their cosmic redundance.
Nekron isn't Infinity. As was shown in the final issue, people were fighting Nekron as he were "living". But he wasn't and he could not be destroyed as he is ABOVE Death.
Originally posted by 753And iirc Death has stalemated Eternity, but then got raped by In-Betweener, and beaten by Strange.
hum... he stalemated infinity and is on pair with the other 3 in the cosmic compasse (death, eternity, infinity).Eternity's avatar on panel feats are generic and unimpressive, he also jobs all over the place. In a forum battle should that matter? Can a character that owned eternity's representation automatically destroy the universe? I don't think so.
If we are talking about the real thing and not those silly avatars, then destroying eternity means busting a universe and destroynig oblivion is simply inconceivable.
As for their avatars? Aunt may can take them down with PIS, which is what the iceman thing was, PIS beyond SMvsFL
What are we talking about here? A fight between a decaying corpse with a scickle that can be taken down if someone ressurects some z-lister and a weird vagrant with rags arround his head that gets KOed by a snow avalanche or a conflict between death/precambrian silence/the void between subatomic particles vs the very absence of being?
If it's the latter and not the former, they either stalemate (and it's difficult to picture the two of them interacting at all) or, if we assume nekrom is space in a fashion similar to infinity, oblivion will ultimately devour him as it has done before in the cosmic cycle (the problem here is that it requires assuming whatever cosmos they interact in will follow MU's pattern) - this is how he would win, by undoing space and taking it into nothingess. Has he ever done it on panel? No. But we know it's happened adn will happen again.
IMO, abstracts require no feats, they're not people and if they are ever treated like that, it is PIS. We should look at them based on what they represent, not on what spandex wearing microbes manage to pull out of their asses to 'defeat' their stupid looking avatars that fire energy blasts from their hands.
Even if we take a fight between their avatars and not the real things, what would really happen in a PIS free battle? Nothing, it is not in oblivion's nature to ressurect people and he would have no jurisdiction over DC's dead, and nekrom wouldn't even scratch the man with his face covered, he is not alive to begin with. They just stand arround forever in their cosmic redundance.
Like what? Dormammu? Ancient One holding his own against classic Eternity after he surprised him? Cosmic artifacts? What feats have him jobbing all over the place?
Ya. Too bad you don't have to destroy to beat.
Aunt May hey? Well, things that never happened aren't exactly the proof on dealing with canon.
Considering that someone won't be ressurected here, I can't see the logic behind bringing that up.
We're talking about a fight between two characters, not symbolic representations that we can manipulate to have our character beat anyone.
You know what the problem is with you comparing Nekron to Infinity? Is that you previously said that Oblivion has stalemated Infinity... he didn't absorb her...
Ya, it's happened over the span that it takes for the universe to run its course... billions unpon billions of years.
You know what they are though? Comic characters being used in a battle where feats determine who would win.
Good luck with your 'no feats angle' though. I'm sure it will help tip the balance in many arguable threads.
They would fight. Someone would be KO'ed, or be torn apart.
Or they would stalemate.
Simple really.
Originally posted by Blanket
And iirc Death has stalemated Eternity, but then got raped by In-Betweener, and beaten by Strange.
ABC logic not withstanding.
I shows general power-level
Originally posted by Blanket
Ya. Too bad you don't have to destroy to beat.
So how would it go then? What does defeating oblivion or nekron without destroying them look like?
Originally posted by Blanket
Aunt May hey? Well, things that never happened aren't exactly the proof on dealing with canon.
Do you seriously not get the point of the phrase I wrote? The iceman thing was PIS and shouldn't be taken into consideration cause aunt may could do the same with that much PIS. From oblivion's point of view they should be equal threats.
Originally posted by Blanket
Considering that someone won't be ressurected here, I can't see the logic behind bringing that up.We're talking about a fight between two characters, not symbolic representations that we can manipulate to have our character beat anyone.
Thank you for repeating the point I made. Yes, they are not their symbolic representations, that's why we have to use the real things and their avatars performances are irrelevant. I pointed out that nekrom can be taken out by ressurecting someone and that iceman defeated oblivion's representation to show these events are irrelevant, because they're not fighting the real things. That's why I said that if we are talking about the real ones and not their avatars, they either stalemate or oblivion wins via taking 'space' into himself - spacial dimensions collapse and cease to be - after billions of years (assuming nekrom is space). This is a comprehensible way to defeat 'space' that makes sense, KO isn't.
Originally posted by Blanket
You know what the problem is with you comparing Nekron to Infinity? Is that you previously said that Oblivion has stalemated Infinity... he didn't absorb her...
Ya, it's happened over the span that it takes for the universe to run its course... billions unpon billions of years.
Again thanks for the recap on the points I made. His stance as equal to infinity and his stalemate with her do not change the fact that one day he will take her into himself, which is what I said from the beggining: they either stalemate completely or oblivion will, eventually (after an eternity worth of stalemate), swallow nekrom (if he really is space), just like it goes down between him and infinty, maybe you missed that. I see no time limit in the op either.
Originally posted by Blanket
You know what they are though? Comic characters being used in a battle where feats determine who would win.
Good luck with your 'no feats angle' though. I'm sure it will help tip the balance in many arguable threads.They would fight. Someone would be KO'ed, or be torn apart.
Or they would stalemate.Simple really.
What feats would that be? Their lame avatars feats? The real deal abstracts' feats are being what they are. Eternity's main feat is being an universe (or half of it) and time itself, not blasting lesser beings through its representation. How would either of them get KOed? What does that even mean? How do you KO emptyness? The'yre shapeless and empty, how would either be torn apart? You are the one that keeps adressing them like they are their representations when they are not.
Originally posted by 753Oh?
I shows general power-level
Originally posted by 753Insert Iceman scan.
So how would it go then? What does defeating oblivion or nekron without destroying them look like?
Originally posted by 753I get it. I just don't see the need to bring up things that never happened or will happen as points to disregard on panel things.
Do you seriously not get the point of the phrase I wrote? The iceman thing was PIS and shouldn't be taken into consideration cause aunt may could do the same with that much PIS. From oblivion's point of view they should be equal threats.
Originally posted by 753The 'real' things though are symbolic representations based on your logic. You're arguing purely based on something that was foretold to happen in the future, and based on Oblivion's stance. AND based on whether or not Nekron is space (the first post of this very thread has GF saying Nekron is 'emptiness'😉... and then you can say that Oblivion wins... well guess what, God is space too, no? Would Oblivion win in a battle between him and TOAA, or the Presence?
Thank you for repeating the point I made. Yes, they are not their symbolic representations, that's why we have to use the real things and their avatars performances are irrelevant. I pointed out that nekrom can be taken out by ressurecting someone and that iceman defeated oblivion's representation to show these events are irrelevant, because they're not fighting the real things. That's why I said that if we are talking about the real ones and not their avatars, they either stalemate or oblivion wins via taking 'space' into himself - spacial dimensions collapse and cease to be - after billions of years (assuming nekrom is space). This is a comprehensible way to defeat 'space' that makes sense, KO isn't.
Anyway, the difference in comparisons is vast. First off you have many outside factors that couldn't possibly come into play in this battle in the Nekron feat, and then you have Iceman beating Oblivion straight up with a love-o-lanche, that is not only PIS because Oblivion doesn't need feats, but it's also not relevant to Oblivion because it HAS to be an Avatar of his real self... because that's obviously what every writer has in mind when writing cosmic characters.
Not saying it isn't, but lots of assumptions...
Originally posted by 753But what causes him to take her into him? Does it have to do with her being the representation of space?
Again thanks for the recap on the points I made. His stance as equal to infinity and his stalemate with her do not change the fact that one day he will take her into himself, which is what I said from the beggining: they either stalemate completely or oblivion will, eventually (after an eternity worth of stalemate), swallow nekrom (if he really is space), just like it goes down between him and infinty, maybe you missed that. I see no time limit in the op either.
Didn't miss that at all. I just think it's completely retarded to even address as a serious point. Oblivion wins because he eventually absorbs Nekron (based on nothing) after billions and billions of years of fighting. Winning example right there.
Originally posted by 753That almost sounds worse than blasting lesser beings.
What feats would that be? Their lame avatars feats? The real deal abstracts' feats are being what they are. Eternity's main feat is being an universe (or half of it) and time itself, not blasting lesser beings through its representation. How would either of them get KOed? What does that even mean? How do you KO emptyness? The'yre shapeless and empty, how would either be torn apart? You are the one that keeps adressing them like they are their representations when they are not.
So, what do you think avatars or M-Bodys of the characters are? You don't think they're a part of the abstracts as a whole?
Anyway, examples since Eternity is being brought up.
Eternity was rendered catatonic during Infinity War.
Eternity was out bleeding when Umar, and Dormammu beat him.
And you're the one making it seem like they don't have to do anything at all to win battles.