Yes and yes. Most writers just forget that Post Crisis. The truth is the Olympian Gods were if not afraid then at least respectful of DS's power.
Darkseid, before harnessing the OE, feared the power of the Olympian Gods and weakened them by spreading tales of the Roman pantheon. The Olympians were all split in two, their power divided when people started to worship the Roman as well as Olympian Gods.
After claiming the OE though I don't think DS feared them and it was shown that it took Highfather, Odin, Zeus, Jove, and Ares to equal Darkseid and Highfather's power and penetrate the Source Wall.
So yeah, DS>>DC Zeus.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
so darkseid is above skyfather.
why do people say thanos can beat him then
As for why people think Thanos beats him I'd say there is a good case to be made for Thanos but it mostly relies on the premise that the No-PIS Omega Effect won't work on him. For every Thanos fan that approaches the matchup rationally there's two or three who lowball DS and wank Thanos to make it seem like DS isn't even close, which is a ridiculous notion.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
The real Darkseid wasn't seen until Final Crisis. Yeah, he is above skyfather.I think PC Darkseid was somewhere between skyfather and Galactus level. So, what what that be? Elder God level?
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scarsbetween sky father and galactus are a couple levels
The real Darkseid wasn't seen until Final Crisis. Yeah, he is above skyfather.I think PC Darkseid was somewhere between skyfather and Galactus level. So, what what that be? Elder God level?
yea he might be elder god level, cosmic cubes have universal warping powers
Originally posted by Omega VisionSo ignorig that happens in the comics is how we should debate? Since when? Also when has Darkseid beaten Zeus straight up? If Hades comes up with a plan to defeat Zeus does this mean he can beat him straight up in combat?
I wouldn't say Post Crisis DS is above Skyfather but he's in the Tier. PC Darkseid, yeah he was at times above Skyfather for sure.As for why people think Thanos beats him I'd say there is a good case to be made for Thanos but it mostly relies on the premise that the No-PIS Omega Effect won't work on him. For every Thanos fan that approaches the matchup rationally there's two or three who lowball DS and wank Thanos to make it seem like DS isn't even close, which is a ridiculous notion.
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
It is called entity levelLearned it. Love it.
Abstract
entity
Skyfather
Abstract level>celestial level>cosmic cube level>eldergod level>>skyfathers.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Darkseid gets his ass handed to him regularly by high-heralds. Zeus spanks him.
Originally posted by quanchi112😬
So ignorig that happens in the comics is how we should debate? Since when? Also when has Darkseid beaten Zeus straight up? If Hades comes up with a plan to defeat Zeus does this mean he can beat him straight up in combat?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
A PIS free 'Seid would win, imo. Just so happens that the guy suffers from PIS a lot.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
entity covers many things,
elder gods, cytorrak, cosmic cubes, and celestials are all entitys.
its still a big gap between skyfather and abstract
thats why imo its easier to just sayAbstract level>celestial level>cosmic cube level>eldergod level>>skyfathers.
If you broke it up too much there would be empty tiers
Originally posted by Omega VisionWhat did I say that was wrong? When has Darkseid proven his superior in combat?
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Originally posted by Omega VisionDD crushed him. Raker humiliated him. He's also stalemated Superman a lot. Who has he defeated which cements his status?
How is it true? In his 40 year history he's been defeated a whopping total of three times by High Heralds, once by Orion and twice by Superman who as everyone knows has a Jobber Aura. You don't even read DC comics.