Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, not really. I'm not talking, or typing aimlessly or without direction. There's a clear point and focus to everything I'm saying.-AC
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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Different people have different opinions as to what bullet dodging is, simple as that.
No, you're wrong.
There's dodging and there's evading, as you said, but you missed the point.
Part of being a vampire in Blade's continuity is to have the ability to dodge bullets. Not evade, DODGE.
This was factually proven by Frost and others. So, if we can say with 100% factual certainty that Blade vampires can dodge bullets, then we can go back and look at that scene in Blade: Trinity again.
Did they dodge or did they evade? That was your issue and your question. What you fail to see is that it's an irrelevant question.
It doesn't matter if they evaded, because they're vampires. Them evading bullets does not negate the FACT that they DO have the ability to dodge bullets. They have that ability because they are superhuman beings, and others of their kind have been shown to consistently dodge bullets.
It's an inherent ability.
"Why didn't all the other vamps dodge then?", I anticipate.
Because they're fodder and you lose fodder in action scenes to make the good guys look badass.
If you accept that vampires in Blade can dodge bullets, which you must due to the factual footage provided, then you concede that the question of whether or not they dodged in that scene is irrelevant.
You could be right, she could have evaded. That doesn't mean anything, though. She has the ability to dodge bullets, we know this because she's a vampire in a Blade movie, and that's an ability they have.
If Spider-Man didn't use web in his movie, would you say he's incapable of using web? No, because we know it's something he can do. Additionally, they don't need to do it for it to be used. It's not a screen feat, it's an inherent trait of their species, like Spider-Man's web is inherent to him. Use or not.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriOK then. I guess all Blade vamps have the same level of strength, the elders, the true bloods, the half bloods, and the noobs. Thanks for the heads up.
No, you're wrong.There's dodging and there's evading, as you said, but you missed the point.
Part of being a vampire in Blade's continuity is to have the ability to dodge bullets. Not evade, DODGE.
This was factually proven by Frost and others. So, if we can say with 100% factual certainty that Blade vampires can dodge bullets, then we can go back and look at that scene in Blade: Trinity again.
Did they dodge or did they evade? That was your issue and your question. What you fail to see is that it's an irrelevant question.
It doesn't matter if they evaded, because they're vampires. Them evading bullets does not negate the FACT that they DO have the ability to dodge bullets. They have that ability because they are superhuman beings, and others of their kinds have been shown to consistently dodge bullets.
It's an inherent ability.
"Why didn't all the other vamps dodge then?", I anticipate.
Because they're fodder and you lose fodder in action scenes to make the good guys look badass.
If you accept that vampires in Blade can dodge bullets, which you must due to the factual footage provided, then you concede that the question of whether or not they dodged in that scene is irrelevant.
You could be right, she could have evaded. That doesn't mean anything, though. She has the ability to dodge bullets, we know this because she's a vampire in a Blade movie, and that's an ability they have.
If Spider-Man didn't use web in his movie, would you say he's incapable of using web? No, because we know it's something he can do.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK then. I guess all Blade vamps have the same level of strength, the elders, the true bloods, the half bloods, and the noobs. Thanks for the heads up.
They don't, but some abilities are inherent in all.
The ability to dodge, the enhanced strength. It comes with being a vampire. More vampirism means more experience and greater strength, it doesn't mean those who aren't pure-bloods can't dodge.
Frost isn't a pure-blood and he can dodge bullets.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriIt was never implied in Blade that all vampires can dodge bullets. Blade shot several in the night club scene. Abigail shot several with her bow. The Reapers, who were like vampires on speed, didn't dodge when the blood pack were fighting them.
They don't, but some abilities are inherent in all.The ability to dodge, the enhanced strength. It comes with being a vampire. More vampirism means more experience and greater strength, it doesn't mean those who aren't pure-bloods can't dodge.
Frost isn't a pure-blood and he can dodge bullets.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It was never implied in Blade that all vampires can dodge bullets. Blade shot several in the night club scene.
Fodder. Not sure how many times this needs explaining.
Additionally, none were trying to.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Abigail shot several with her bow. The Reapers, who were like vampires on speed, didn't dodge when the blood pack were fighting them.
Do I need to draw, in crayon, what is meant by "Fodder"?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriFodder. Not sure how many times this needs explaining.
Additionally, none were trying to.
Do I need to draw, in crayon, what is meant by "Fodder"?
-AC [/B]
"Weren't trying to", means can't.
Nah. I know what fodder is. Bottom line is that they are vamps and didn't dodge.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
"Weren't trying to", means can't.Nah. I know what fodder is. Bottom line is that they are vamps and didn't dodge.
I'll ask you again, if Spider-Man didn't use his web, would you say he couldn't?
The fact that they are vampires means they can, and video evidence has proven this of the vampires in Blade.
Them getting killed was the same as Daredevil being affected by sound in one scene, and not in another. It was for plot and set-piece purposes.
Blade gets subdued by about three vampires in one scene. If all the people in the club really wanted to, they could have killed him. They were all vampires. If they swarmed him, he'd be dead. He couldn't fight hundreds at once.
Do you know why they died and why he didn't get touched?
It's called opening scene badassery, featuring fodder.
Do I need to keep explaining this to you?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriBlade was caught off guard, he faced a coupla faster asians and was stabbed in the chest. Bad example.
I'll ask you again, if Spider-Man didn't use his web, would you say he couldn't?The fact that they are vampires means they can, and video evidence has proven this of the vampires in Blade.
Them getting killed was the same as Daredevil being affected by sound in one scene, and not in another. It was for plot and set-piece purposes.
Blade gets subdued by about three vampires in one scene. If all the people in the club really wanted to, they could have killed him. They were all vampires. If they swarmed him, he'd be dead. He couldn't fight hundreds at once.
Do you know why they died and why he didn't get touched?
It's called opening scene badassery, featuring fodder.
Do I need to keep explaining this to you?
-AC
So the vamps who got shot are weaker than the "bullet dodgers", glad we settled that.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Blade was caught off guard, he faced a coupla faster asians and was stabbed in the chest. Bad example.So the vamps who got shot are weaker than the "bullet dodgers", glad we settled that.
He was stabbed in the chest after, not before. They beat him.
You're saying that if the multiple hundred vampires in that club rushed Blade without mercy, including Frost and his lackey, he would have been capable of surviving? No, he wouldn't have.
Why didn't he? Because they were fodder and it was his opening bad-ass scene.
They're all "bullet dodgers", they have the ability to dodge bullets. It comes with vampirism in Blade movies.
Do you genuinely try to make debates last longer by acting entirely dense to any point made, or do you honestly not grasp anything I'm saying?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They don't, but some abilities are inherent in all.
out of curiosity, how do you know which abilities are inherent and which arent?
for example, you say that all the vampires that are shot can dodge bullets but theyre shot for the sake of being mooks who make the good guys look good. what points to this being the correct conclusion, instead of just assuming that some vampires have slower reaction times and speed than others?
Haha, beat you to it? You just get better and better at proving me wrong at this point.
Just when I think you can't be a larger weasel, you do this.
You didn't have any "it" to get beat to or you'd have posted it. At least maintain SOME dignity in defeat, leech. She posted a good two hours after me, and you've been online that whole time.
She didn't "beat" you to it, you just didn't have a reply.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
out of curiosity, how do you know which abilities are inherent and which arent?for example, you say that all the vampires that are shot can dodge bullets but theyre shot for the sake of being mooks who make the good guys look good. what points to this being the correct conclusion, instead of just assuming that some vampires have slower reaction times and speed than others?
Night club scene, right?
If they all rushed him, what would have happened? They had guns, blades etc. If all 200/300 of them rushed him, what would have happened? He'd be dead.
Now, why didn't he die? Why did he cooly dispatch a lot of them in awesome ways, right as the film opened, to a techno soundtrack? Was it because they're all shit fighters, or because they're fodder?
Precisely.
Henchmen are known for being fodder.
-AC