Originally posted by quanchi112Untrue. Pariah warned every universe he was coming. Sometimes with more time than others though.
Correct and only because the opposition was unaware of it at the time.
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PC Darkseid, arguably a Universal power in of himself when all his tech and resources are figured in wanted none of the Anti-Monitor and knew his best strategy was to hide and wait for an opportunity to strike once the AM weakened rather than trying to take the fight to him. The Guardians of Oa were similarly impotent to stop the AM, so much so that it nursed a sort of inferiority complex that led to them taking such an active role in fighting the AM in SCW.
Also lets not forget that at base level the AM and the Monitor were equal. When a greatly weakened Monitor died his death released enough raw energy to shield five entire Universes against the AM. Consider that at that point in time the AM's personal power was said to be much greater than the Monitor's own, so any claims about the AM being a mere "Universal" power are faulty at best.
Originally posted by JuntaiThey didn't have enough time to mount the proper defense. When a group got together his universal destroying days were over.
Untrue. Pariah warned every universe he was coming. Sometimes with more time than others though.
The list of characters capable of stopping Anti-monitor and the antimatter wave is pretty slim regardless. Particularly so back then. And lots of the smarter and more powerful characters already knew anyways and just didn't know how to stop him.
Originally posted by Omega VisionPc darkseid was not a universal power.
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PC Darkseid, arguably a Universal power in of himself when all his tech and resources are figured in wanted none of the Anti-Monitor and knew his best strategy was to hide and wait for an opportunity to strike once the AM weakened rather than trying to take the fight to him. The Guardians of Oa were similarly impotent to stop the AM, so much so that it nursed a sort of inferiority complex that led to them taking such an active role in fighting the AM in SCW.Also lets not forget that at base level the AM and the Monitor were equal. When a greatly weakened Monitor died his death released enough raw energy to shield five entire Universes against the AM. Consider that at that point in time the AM's personal power was said to be much greater than the Monitor's own, so any claims about the AM being a mere "Universal" power are faulty at best.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They didn't have enough time to mount the proper defense. When a group got together his universal destroying days were over. Pc darkseid was not a universal power.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI disagree.
I said "arguably when all his tech and resources are figured in" as in with prep Darkseid was a Universal level threat. Anyone who read any PC New Gods comics, hell any New Gods comics knows that Darkseid with prep is at least Universal in terms of his threat quota.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree.
Originally posted by Omega VisionIf Darkseid has prep he is a universal prep if it's onesided but many characters have threatened the universe with prep.
Of course you do. But the sheer number of times that Darkseid's schemes have threatened to destroy the Universe or undermine the Source (which would eventually destroy ALL of reality) support Darkseid's claim to being a Universal threat with his prep and tech.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If Darkseid has prep he is a universal prep if it's onesided but many characters have threatened the universe with prep.
Darkseid never has one-sided prep anyway since New Genesis is constantly doing its best to thwart him and see through his schemes. When he finally did defeat New Genesis what happened? Oh yeah, Final Crisis.
AM was able to destroy universes 1 by 1 only. Imperiex destroyed 1 universe too. Parallax created a universe.
all of these DC guys are universal.
UN(a part of galactus) destroyed and recreated MULTIverse in a moment. Phoenix created entire cosmos(OMNIverse) and is 2nd only to GOD according to what watcher saw and told us.
Either one on marvel team can curbstomp DC team.
Originally posted by Omega VisionAlso lets not forget that at base level the AM and the Monitor were equal. When a greatly weakened Monitor died his death released enough raw energy to shield five entire Universes against the AM. Consider that at that point in time the AM's personal power was said to be much greater than the Monitor's own, so any claims about the AM being a mere "Universal" power are faulty at best.
This should have ended any debate here. AM wins.