Originally posted by Omega VisionDuring the animated Clone Wars series (and in the comic series of the same name), GG was portrayed as a sheer badass - could own numerous Jedi/Sith masters simultaneously, etc. But after Windu gave him smoker's lung, his powers/abilities seemed to plummet... Obi could have never beaten a 'healthy' Grievous nearly as easy.
I think he's got to be one of the most wasted villains ever. He sounds and looks so badass on paper but every time he appears he ends up retreating while shaking his fists and yelling "I'll get you next time, Jedi Scum!" 😂
Originally posted by Galan007
During the animated Clone Wars series (and in the comic series of the same name), GG was portrayed as a sheer badass - could own numerous Jedi/Sith masters simultaneously, etc. But after Windu gave him smoker's lung, his powers/abilities seemed to plummet... Obi could have never beaten a 'healthy' Grievous nearly as easy.
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Originally posted by Galan007
I personally don't think DD was 'down' for any longer then it took him to dig out of the rubble. Darkseid's omega powers are meant to instantly 'neutralize' an opponent - they hit their mark, and the opposition is no more (there are an abundance of scans to confirm this.) That said, the fact that all the beams seemed to do (from what we saw) was simply push an unprepared DD to another location, leads me to believe that another blast would have had the same effect (ie. enough to keep DD pinned down, but not enough to cause any serious harm.)Just MO.
He was lying face down without twitching before they buried him (and burying him was, of course, really dumb). Darkseid and Superman seemed to think he was dead.
Originally posted by Q99Huh? After DD smacks the structure, we don't even see him again until he pops out of the rubble and owns Darkseid - so I don't know where this "he was lying face down without moving" thing came from. Furthermore, Superman wasn't even on Apokolips when Darky/DD squared off, so obviously he (Supes) wouldn't have been of the opinion that "DD was dead."
He was lying face down without twitching before they buried him (and burying him was, of course, really dumb). Darkseid and Superman seemed to think he was dead.
Originally posted by Galan007Pwned.
You're leaving out a few plot-points.Darkseid hit DD from behind with his omega beams, which pushed him into a structure. After this he spoke approx. 2-3 sentences before unleashing another dose of omega beams as he continued his monologue. After the second onslaught, Darkseid only took a few steps away before DD ripped out of the rubble and wtfpwned him.
ie. DD's down time in between, and after, the consecutive OB blasts was very minimal (seconds.)
Originally posted by Galan007He was more formidable before windu's force push but never anywhere near Maul level or anything.
During the animated Clone Wars series (and in the comic series of the same name), GG was portrayed as a sheer badass - could own numerous Jedi/Sith masters simultaneously, etc. But after Windu gave him smoker's lung, his powers/abilities seemed to plummet... Obi could have never beaten a 'healthy' Grievous nearly as easy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was more formidable before windu's force push but never anywhere near Maul level or anything.
Maul wasn't that great, imo. He wasn't terrible or anything, but he had an advantage in fighting Jedi and being trained to do so since childhood, whereas the Jedi didn't even know the Sith were back. But yeah, non-movie Grevious was a stone cold bastard for the most part.
Originally posted by Galan007
Huh? After DD smacks the structure, we don't even see him again until he pops out of the rubble and owns Darkseid - so I don't know where this "he was lying face down without moving" thing came from. Furthermore, Superman wasn't even on Apokolips when Darky/DD squared off, so obviously he (Supes) wouldn't have been of the opinion that "DD was dead."
Mm, my memory must be playing tricks.
Still, DS thought DD was dead.
Originally posted by quanchi112In the area of pure saber skill, I believe Grievous was superior to Maul - likely not by much, but superior none the less. What may (or may not) have made Maul > overall was his general force-based powers, and resistance to force-based attacks (force lightning, for instance, had no real effect on him, etc.)
He was more formidable before windu's force push but never anywhere near Maul level or anything.
But where pure swordsmanship is concerned, healthy GG wasn't too far behind Dooku, imo -- he was one of the very few who could assassinate 4-5 Jedi masters at once, and he also owned Durge/Ventress (at the same time) like they were talentless feebs. In his heyday, the dude was a bad mofo.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
How is DD against magic? That's what it boils down to for me. If he's able to adapt to WW's gear then he wins. If he can't, and she is still able to kill/immobilize him with her weapons, then I think she can take a majority.
He hasn't fought against much magic.
At the very least, it's very very likely he's never faced something like a cut-all sword propelled by 10x WW's normal strength.
Originally posted by Galan007
During the animated Clone Wars series (and in the comic series of the same name), GG was portrayed as a sheer badass - could own numerous Jedi/Sith masters simultaneously, etc. But after Windu gave him smoker's lung, his powers/abilities seemed to plummet... Obi could have never beaten a 'healthy' Grievous nearly as easy.
The animated Grievous was AWESOME.
Hell, the animated Clone Wars was awesome. The Samurai Jack creator is really talented.
Grievous still has his moments in the new show.. He can take on most Jedi with their padewans, like he did with Fisto, and beat just about any non jedi team. And he can even hold his own with Obi Wan.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaSince you evidently read my post, my nerdom has now infected you. evillaugh
Nerd.Also, Darth Maul> everything else in the Star Wars universe, combined.
Originally posted by Omega VisionMeh, I didn't really care for the pod race at all. The end battle with Maul, Qui-Gon, and Obi was by far the best part of that movie, imo. Other then that it was just horrible.
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Along with the pod-race he's pretty much the only good thing about the first movie.
Originally posted by cdtmI haven't watched the newer show at all, but I'm glad to hear that they're at least placing Grievous on Obi's level, and still have him shredding through groups of lesser Jedi masters like fodder.
The animated Grievous was AWESOME.Hell, the animated Clone Wars was awesome. The Samurai Jack creator is really talented.
Grievous still has his moments in the new show.. He can take on most Jedi with their padewans, like he did with Fisto, and beat just about any non jedi team. And he can even hold his own with Obi Wan.
People who have only seen GG through Episode III have an enormously skewed view of him.