Beyonder vs. Primal Monitor

Started by Black bolt z2 pages

Beyonder vs. Primal Monitor

Who wins?
Also can someone post some scans of the primal monitor?

PM = TOAA >> THOTI = Beyonder

Originally posted by galactusischere
PM = TOAA >> THOTI = Beyonder
Can someone post scans of PM?What are his feats and what make him so strong?

Donnie Osmond.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Can someone post scans of PM?What are his feats and what make him so strong?

Check your private messages.

Originally posted by galactusischere

PM = TOAA >> THOTI = Beyonder


The PM is basically a rip off of what classic Beyonder was.

So in actuality: Beyonder = PM ... if anything.

TOAA > PM

Grant Morrison avatar from Animal Man #26 = TOAA

PM wasnt a rip off. He didn't even appear.

Based on feats, statements and everything else you could base your argument on. Capital B.

PM had feats?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
PM had feats?

That's the point.

Either way, the DC fanboys seem to wank the Primal Monitor out of proportion. All that was established in Superman Beyond was that universes existed within the original Monitor, the Primal Monitor, the Primal Monitor saw the DC universe as a germ and flaw so he sent a probe (Mandrakk) to destroy it.

Now if the Beyonder wanted a universe to be destroyed he'd will it and that would be it.

Beyonder had feats, though. I don't see the similarities.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The PM is basically a rip off of what classic Beyonder was.

So in actuality: Beyonder = PM ... if anything.

TOAA > PM

Grant Morrison avatar from Animal Man #26 = TOAA


Its not a rip-off if the later one is better written. 😉

I'm not sure how you can put Grant Morrison's "The Writer" character above PM though. In all likelihood they're the same character with a different name and face.

Originally posted by galactusischere
PM = TOAA >> THOTI = Beyonder

Again, what happened to the presence?!

Originally posted by Omega Vision

Its not a rip-off if the later one is better written.


It's a rip off cause its nearly exactly what Beyonder did.
The Marvelverse was a drop of water next to his ocean,
he then discovered the droplet, he then entered the droplet to study it.

As for the "better written story" ... that's you personal opinion.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

I'm not sure how you can put Grant Morrison's "The Writer" character above PM though. In all likelihood they're the same character with a different name and face.


There is no doubt that the PM and the Morrison avatar have absolutely nothing common.
Because the PM was written to believe itself as some grand entity
where it needed to send an explorer to a supposed Multiverse and blah, blah, blah.

The Grant Morrison avatar knew it was nothing more
than a representation of a real world writer in a comic book
in full control of the drawings on the page it appeared on.
('I think for you, I tell you what to say ... you act because of me'😉

This is just like the TOAA knew it wasn't omniscient and all that fictionalized exaggeration
since again, it understood it was a representation of a finite human mind.

The dialogue was different ofcourse considering it was separate companies/writers
but they were trying to convey the same basic message in the end.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It's a rip off cause its nearly exactly what Beyonder did.
The Marvelverse was a drop of water next to his ocean,
he then discovered the droplet, he then entered the droplet to study it.

As for the "better written story" ... that's you personal opinion.

There is no doubt that the PM and the Morrison avatar have absolutely nothing common.
Because the PM was written to believe itself as some grand entity
where it needed to send an explorer to a supposed Multiverse and blah, blah, blah.

The Grant Morrison avatar knew it was nothing more
than a representation of a real world writer in a comic book
in full control of the drawings on the page it appeared on.
('I think for you, I tell you what to say ... you act because of me'😉

This is just like the TOAA knew it wasn't omniscient and all that fictionalized exaggeration
since again, it understood it was a representation of a finite human mind.

The dialogue was different ofcourse considering it was separate companies/writers
but they were trying to convey the same basic message in the end.


Primal Monitor was a representation of infinite story, not a finite human mind. I have no idea where you got that from.

they are basically the same..probably a stalemate..

I don't believe the Beyonder hype Monitor ftw

From what I've heard the only difference is that beyonder doesn't have an avatar.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
From what I've heard the only difference is that beyonder doesn't have an avatar.
The Beyonder was essentially Jim Shooter.

Originally posted by Nihilist
The Beyonder was essentially Jim Shooter.

Morrison>Shooter. 😛