I can understand Michael+Lucifer beating him. We have only seen Scathan once. He did what he did, PIS or not. I don't know why PIS, since we only saw him once. Anyway, what he did, far surpasses anything Lucifer or Michael did individually (or even together). Only way is truly them combining and beating him (since it's said their power combines the power of The Presence, which I never bought, and that is only in range, they are still not powerful as The Presence).
If them combined, depends on situation. On their own they lose to Scathan.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I can understand Michael+Lucifer beating him. We have only seen Scathan once. He did what he did, PIS or not. I don't know why PIS, since we only saw him once. Anyway, what he did, far surpasses anything Lucifer or Michael did individually (or even together). Only way is truly them combining and beating him (since it's said their power combines the power of The Presence, which I never bought, and that is only in range, they are still not powerful as The Presence).
If them combined, depends on situation. On their own they lose to Scathan.
Basically, it's PIS because this is the first and only instance we have of a Celestial being stronger than the Living Tribunal, and it's not explained how he could be that powerful in the story. So we have to resort to speculations like "The Celestials have an artifact stronger than LT", or "TOOA empowered Scathan".
Prior to Scathan, the only character naturally stronger than LT (Possibly) is the pre retcon beyonder, and that's explained by his status of existing outside of the normal MU, and not having to abide by their rules in the cosmic hierarchy.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
scathan is a not 616 universe chracter so he is not cannon to the 616 universe, he is cannon to the living tribunal though.anyways i heard that he is the sum total of all the celestials including every alternate universe celestials
Protege was a threat to whole MU, not only 616 universe. Scathan saved all realities including 616, so it doesn't matter from where or when he was.
He alone stopped Protege, while Living Tribunal + others couldn't. So how or when exactly did Michael or Lucifer shown that kind of power?
Originally posted by Xplosivelucifer created the vertigo multiverse
Protege was a threat to whole MU, not only 616 universe. Scathan saved all realities including 616, so it doesn't matter from where or when he was.He alone stopped Protege, while Living Tribunal + others couldn't. So how or when exactly did Michael or Lucifer shown that kind of power?
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Originally posted by Xplosive
Protege was a threat to whole MU, not only 616 universe. Scathan saved all realities including 616, so it doesn't matter from where or when he was.He alone stopped Protege, while Living Tribunal + others couldn't. So how or when exactly did Michael or Lucifer shown that kind of power?
all Scathan did was blind Protege; it aint like he beat him in a power battle.
and if the kid was *really* more powerful than LT, then I would think he'd simply break free from the judgement he was given since IIRC we never saw him depowered or anything.......
as for the topic, I think its debateable, but Id see Luc letting Mike do all of the hard work, so as to figure a way to outsmart Scathan *somehow* afterward.
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