Joruus C'baoth Vs. ROTS Anakin Skywalker

Started by truejedi3 pages

Considering Jorus and Joruus would have had the same potential however, and the things that Jorus did accomplish (the missile feat is RIDICULOUS) , I am inclined to think of him as one of the more powerful Jedi of the age. I almost made this a Mace/Jorus thread.

Considering he claimed for himself the title of Jedi Master, and no one objected, says something. Anakin tried that, and got a "***** Please" from Mace.

Originally posted by truejedi
Considering Jorus and Joruus would have had the same potential however, and the things that Jorus did accomplish (the missile feat is RIDICULOUS) , I am inclined to think of him as one of the more powerful Jedi of the age. I almost made this a Mace/Jorus thread.

Considering he claimed for himself the title of Jedi Master, and no one objected, says something. Anakin tried that, and got a "***** Please" from Mace.

Agreed.

As for this thread...
Saber: Have to go with Annie -- Jorus' saber skills were wholly undefined.
Force: Jorus. Easily.
All out: Unsure. Though I am still leaning slightly towards Jorus for some reason.

I've never read Outbound Flight; what were Jorus' Force feats?

Originally posted by truejedi
Considering Jorus and Joruus would have had the same potential however,

😐 Are you serious... Well Anakin had twice the potential of Sidious I guess he stomps...

and the things that Jorus did accomplish (the missile feat is RIDICULOUS) , I am inclined to think of him as one of the more powerful Jedi of the age.

Cool. Anakin throws stone pillars and accidently destroys buildings with a scream.

I almost made this a Mace/Jorus thread.

lol.
Considering he claimed for himself the title of Jedi Master, and no one objected, says something. Anakin tried that, and got a "***** Please" from Mace.

Lol. So this means that Jorus is more powerful... Mace did not grant Anakin the rank of Master because he did not trust him, and for good reason.

You aren't necessarily wrong. I was undecided in my thoughts on who wins this. Your argument thus far kinda sucks though.

Originally posted by ares834
😐 Are you serious... Well Anakin had twice the potential of Sidious I guess he stomps...

Never realized that potential, so obviously has nothing to do with this discussion.

Cool. Anakin throws stone pillars and accidently destroys buildings with a scream.

Destroying a building versus holding a missile inert in the air for an extended period of time? Check the difficulty Yoda had getting a missile to pull out of a nose dive in Dark Rendevous.

Originally posted by truejedi You aren't necessarily wrong. I was undecided in my thoughts on who wins this. Your argument thus far kinda sucks though.

Well considering I'm hardly arguing yeah.

Never realized that potential, so obviously has nothing to do with this discussion.

SO what was your purpose of bringing up Jorus poteintial being the same as his clones. You seem to be implying that they were equally powerful.

Destroying a building versus holding a missile inert in the air for an extended period of time?

Yep. The destruction of a building would require far more force than to hold a missle in the air. Granted stopping it may be difficult, but it really depends on how fast the missle is traveling.

Originally posted by ares834

Yep. The destruction of a building would require far more force than to hold a missle in the air. Granted stopping it may be difficult, but it really depends on how fast the missle is traveling.


i disagree.

Tj, remember how Yoda's missile was falling out of space and was designed as a Kinetic Kill Weapon?

I'd say that is more than your conventional missile.

Also: Anakin's Scream only had to destabilize the building; it isn't necessarily very impressive

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Tj, remember how Yoda's missile was falling out of space and was designed as a Kinetic Kill Weapon?

I'd say that is more than your conventional missile.

Also: Anakin's Scream only had to destabilize the building; it isn't necessarily very impressive

Oh definitly, it was an intercontinental ballistic at the least, but think about the sheer kinetic force to stop a missile DEAD. its ridiculous to comprehend. And I agree with the scream,that wasn't all that impressive.

I'm not sure it is ridiculous.

Do you have numbers for an estimate?

Originally posted by Galan007
Oh and Mara only beat Joruus via a sneak attack when he was distracted. Earlier in the story he easily dispatched her with force lightning (whilst simultaneously combating Luke.)

i dont remember this, or the context.

i do remember that joruus was standing on one side of the room and she was standing on the other, and she ran forward and cut him down, though...

Didn't Han have something to do with his death. And Red, I'll check.

k, Momentum is equal to Mass X Velocity.

using a tomahawk missile, for example, a speed of 550 mph, breaks down to 245.872 Meters per second.

The mass of said missile is: 3200 lbs, or: 1451.495 kg.

So: 1451.495*245.872==356881.9786 kg per m/s.

In this case, the change in momentum is from 356,881.9786 to 0,
So those same numbers can be used in F=MA to determine the force, so we are talking 356,881.9786 Newtons of force to stop the missile, USING ONLY ITS OWN MOMENTUM. This does not even take into account the thrust of the rocket itself which according to :http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/tomahawk.htm is another 29.4 kiloNewtons.

So overall,(in the example of the tomahawk) in a an instant, 29.4+356.881 kN of force would be necessary to stop the rocket. We are talking 386.28 KiloNewtons of force. (let me know if my physics is sketchy, its been 3 years.)

According to this handy-dandy calculator: http://www.unitconversion.org/force/kilonewtons-to-pound-forces-conversion.html

we are talking 86839.423349611 lbs of force, or over 43 tons.

Unless I've got something wrong, its an absurd feat.

Nothing looks blatantly wrong, although we covered Kinetic Energy much more effectively than Momentum. (The latter got all of five minutes' explanation. 😬)

Compare this to the best that Anakin has. That's what, exactly? Breaking down a durasteel door? Caving in a dilapidated warehouse?

blech

Well, Anakin was almost able to overwhelm kenobi once with a force shove. Not quite, but almost. : )

Anakin also owned Ventress with TK.. when he trapped her in cables and she had no TK power to free herself or fight back against him.

And id disagree with the opinion that bringign a whole building down(derelict or not) is not at all impressive power.

And I do agree he almost overpowered Obiwan in the Force push. Obiwan just seemed to be putting in more effort into that push. And Anakin didnt need as much time to recover from the push as Obiwan did, which might also suggest Anakins push was harder.

Also in the ROTS novel theres are part when Anakin was chucking stuff at Obiwan with his TK, and Obiwan was fighting back desperatley. Again suggesting Obiwan had to try that much harder to keep up with Anakin in the Force.

My point being though, that overpowering kenobi with the force is hardly considered a fantastic feat.

Second: 43 tons man!

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i dont remember this, or the context.

i do remember that joruus was standing on one side of the room and she was standing on the other, and she ran forward and cut him down, though...

Joruus' attention was focused on Luuke and another beast (of which he was using force lightning on.) This gave Mara the edge she needed to, essentially, sneak up on Joruus and skewer him with her saber. Regardless, she did not kill him in a straight up fight as earlier suggested.

That's all I'ze saying. 🙂

I DEMAND PASSAGE QUOTES! D<

^ That fight happened in a comic. And when I am able to access my external hard drive (possibly today, but tomorrow for sure) I can post scans of the entire scene for ya. 🙂