Bane vs. Daredevil · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

beatboks ready for the loony bin

Originally posted by ODG
When did DD ever bring down Namor?????

DD issue #'s 7,63, and 77 ( though IIRC this one was more of a stalemate). Also in either a crossover in a Spidey mag or marvel team up with BP ( this one being the best feat)

Vs Avengers
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1151004-daredevil_v1_155cbr___page_17.jpg.html

Vs Wolvie
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982867-dd73nf.jpg.html
Vs others a LOT tougher than bane
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/daredevilv20617zm1.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/swork180zt.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/swork197xi.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/swork167bu.jpg.html

Originally posted by Golgo13
Kingpin has also given DD a good fight in the past. Bane has also given super humans who are above him good fights as well. Bane is actually a good strategist/fighter just like Kingpin and currently stronger, more ruthless.

Your point??? Kingpin is stronger than Bane, he's out muscled Spiderman. he's also faster my a shite load. Fisk doesn't worry about ANY of NY's masked heroes except DD.

Golgo13 Senior Member

Originally posted by beatboks
DD issue #'s 7,63, and 77 ( though IIRC this one was more of a stalemate). Also in either a crossover in a Spidey mag or marvel team up with BP ( this one being the best feat)
from 2 of the battles with Namor
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor1.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor6.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor5.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor4.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor2.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor3.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982934-ddvsnamor64og.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982935-ddvsnamor75tn.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982936-ddvsnamor87ep.jpg.html
Last one was the stalemate from 77.
So he's fought him for about 8 pages where at the end Namor got up before DD after a mutual KO but retreated out of respect for DD's courage. been put down by DD who then tactically withdrew before namor cam back up. Been delayed by DD until he reasoned with him. and put down by a nerve point strike ( the team up one I can't find just now)
Vs Cap
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/capdd5ne9.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/capdd4zv7.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/capdd1bt7.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/capdd6ly9.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1151006-daredevil_v1_156cbr___page_5.jpg.html
Vs Avengers
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1151004-daredevil_v1_155cbr___page_17.jpg.html
Vs Wolvie
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982867-dd73nf.jpg.html
Vs others a LOT tougher than bane
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/daredevilv20617zm1.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/swork180zt.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/swork197xi.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/swork167bu.jpg.html
[quote=Golgo13]Kingpin has also given DD a good fight in the past. Bane has also given super humans who are above him good fights as well. Bane is actually a good strategist/fighter just like Kingpin and currently stronger, more ruthless.

Your point??? Kingpin is stronger than Bane, he's out muscled Spiderman. he's also faster my a shite load. Fisk doesn't worry about ANY of NY's masked heroes except DD. [/QUOTE]

Not stronger than DCnU Bane. Hell, even without Venom, Pre-Flashpoint Bane was tanking blows from Catman with no problem.

beatboks ready for the loony bin

Originally posted by Golgo13
Your point??? Kingpin is stronger than Bane, he's out muscled Spiderman. he's also faster my a shite load. Fisk doesn't worry about ANY of NY's masked heroes except DD.

Not stronger than DCnU Bane. Hell, even without Venom, Pre-Flashpoint Bane was tanking blows from Catman with no problem. [/B][/QUOTE]

you've GOT o be kidding. I show you scans of DD putting down Beast, Hercules, Namor and guy's blockbuster and solomon Grundy level and you offer Catman as a counter ? pull your head out of your proverbial. Catman isn't even Cap America level.

Golgo13 Senior Member

Originally posted by beatboks
Not stronger than DCnU Bane. Hell, even without Venom, Pre-Flashpoint Bane was tanking blows from Catman with no problem.

you've GOT o be kidding. I show you scans of DD putting down Beast, Hercules, Namor and guy's blockbuster and solomon Grundy level and you offer Catman as a counter ? pull your head out of your proverbial. Catman isn't even Cap America level. [/B][/QUOTE]

I said dcnu bane. Catman encounter was pre flashpoint. Batman on the same venom drew blood from superman.

beatboks ready for the loony bin

DCNu Superman has varying power levels and his early years are like GA action comics 1 level ( in other words barely spidey level). Batman on any amp taking blood from any other level Superman is pure and utter PIS. No feats produced by bane in DCNu put him at even a 40 tonner let alone a 90 or class 100 as i've shown. so unless you can put up a feat for Bane at over 100 tons I fail to see hiw DD putting down Herc or Namor isn't dealing with someone above Bane by several orders of magnitude.

Golgo13 Senior Member

This wasnt an early year superman.

beatboks ready for the loony bin

Originally posted by Golgo13
This wasnt an early year superman.

the. it has to be PIS. it is also completely irelivant for this discussion any way. it wasnt Bane. A feat for batman isnt a feat for bane. Venom is an enhancing drug. we have seen bats do shit loads that is superhuman without venom. enhancing that level is not the same as enhancing a character we have FA knowledge on off the drug.

Golgo13 Senior Member

Dd going against namor is pis too. Half of batmans feats are pis.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by beatboks
DD issue #'s 7,63, and 77 ( though IIRC this one was more of a stalemate). Also in either a crossover in a Spidey mag or marvel team up with BP ( this one being the best feat)
from 2 of the battles with Namor
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor1.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor6.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor5.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor4.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor2.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor3.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982934-ddvsnamor64og.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982935-ddvsnamor75tn.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982936-ddvsnamor87ep.jpg.html
Last one was the stalemate from 77.
So he's fought him for about 8 pages where at the end Namor got up before DD after a mutual KO but retreated out of respect for DD's courage. been put down by DD who then tactically withdrew before namor cam back up. Been delayed by DD until he reasoned with him. and put down by a nerve point strike ( the team up one I can't find just now)

All I see are scans of Namor curbstomping Daredevil, no-selling Daredevil's direct attacks as mere nuisances,and Daredevil running away for life.

Where in any of those scans is Daredevil bringing Namor down, much less putting down Namor with nerve strikes as you previously stated?

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!

best part of that namor battle: "unpardonable, while i boasted, he acted!"

😂

cdtm Restricted

That DD/Namor fight is great. 😂

But tbh, Matt getting a reaction with punches against a guy who goes head on with Hulk is ridiculous.

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Bane tears his head off

cdtm Restricted

Originally posted by ODG
Daredevil's direct attacks as mere nuisances,and Daredevil running away for life.

That's about the size of it.

Golden Guardian's done the same thing against Superman. Ditto Deathstroke vs Wonder Woman, or Cassandra Cain vs Supergirl.

Of course, even using judo tosses and head scissors take-downs on someone as durable and strong as Namor or Superman is total PIS, but not the "Spiderman just knocked Firelord out" variety..

wolverinos Restricted

Daredevil is a physically weaker but more agile version of batman .... Bane wins.

Juk3n Devils Advocate

Daredevil is way more ruthless than Batman. I can see Bane getting nerve-pinched the fcuk out and having an arm or something broken once matt sees/knows that he's dealing with someone who is a legitimate threat.

beatboks ready for the loony bin

Originally posted by cdtm
That DD/Namor fight is great. 😂
But tbh, Matt getting a reaction with punches against a guy who goes head on with Hulk is ridiculous.

most of the battles they have had (5 from memory) have only been delaying actions from matt where he dodges until he gets a luck shot in. the one and only time he did put him down ( which I havent found yet after going through a few dozen DD issues after work the last few days) was basicall a surpise attack nerve strike. Namor was flying away and DD swung up to him. I've also PM'd four members of three forums who I've seen use the scan to give me a link. As soon as I have it I'll post it. Of course Matt would go down in a straight on battle against Namor would be plot. Just like him taking down Herc and IM in his battle with the Avengers was. Golio trying to compare that to Batman drawing blood from someone who is inmervious is like comparing the speed of an arrow to the light of a laser. especially when it wasnt even a feat for the combatant in this fight. Matt has defeated plenty of character easily Bane's equal and superior that are certainly NOT PIS.

Golgo13 Senior Member

Batman has done things similar as well. It's all PIS.

beatboks ready for the loony bin

Originally posted by Golgo13
Batman has done things similar as well. It's all PIS.

Batamn taking down the likes of Block Buster, and missure malah isn't PIS because of how it was done (i.e. presure points, weak points, use strength and mass of opponent against them, speed/reflex/skill difference). Anything with Bats vs the likes of Supes is massive PIS. the difference is a massive one.

also as i said Batman has no part in this. it's Bane v DD, Bane doesn't have the feats

Golgo13 Senior Member

Agree to disagree then.

beatboks ready for the loony bin

Originally posted by Golgo13
Agree to disagree then.

I see a need to clarify. Blockbuster, Mallah, Namor, Grundy etc are incredibly strong and because of their strength have durability because of their muscle structure. The thing is it's still only muscles, if the muscles can't flex they can't actually do the work muscles do. Strikes to those muscles in the right way or the points between where nerves would be exposed or unprotected joints are exposed by not having incredibly dense muscle to protect them are still able to be damaged by those of much lower strength levels who simply know how to strike correctly. If the tissue of the muscle can flex to allow the person to use it for strength it has to also be susceptible to damage. Will it require greater force? yes, but still doable. Others like Luke Cage have an outer level of durability but not the same high level of muscle density so can be harmed because their muscles are more susceptible but their flesh less.

When you take that level of strength to an even higher level and start adding other layers of protection this vulnerability raises significantly. Superman absorbs solar radiation and as a result generates a force field around his cells from the energy. The idea that you can cause harm to someone with even greater density of tissue COMBINED with impervious skin AND a force field that actually prevents you from even making direct contact

It's like comparing an apple to a coconut. One is very much a harder nut to crack