Cyclops vs colossus

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wrecker's crowbar nearly killed him, Harpoon's energy spear mutilates his steel form (which leads to paralysis as Mags couldn't mend him properly), Pete Wisdom's hot knives utterly shredded him... Colossus is virtually invulnerable but his physical form has been more than dented in the past.

And he's been knocked out many times, e.g., Doom casually one-shotted him, Loki casually one-shotted him.

Wrecker's crowbar took him down, but he still showed no visible damage, and back then Wrecker was giving Thor trouble, while Colossus was still in his Class 70 days I believe.

Never saw the Harpoon fight.

The Pete Wisdom fight shouldn't be counted, despite the fact that his knives are as hot as the surface of the sun, temps which Colossus could not possibly handle. It shouldn't be counted though, because Pete Wisdom, with his human level durability was taking shots from Colossus, who was in a berserk rage, and was trying to kill him.

^ His ribs were uber-f'ed up. Which is made apparent when he reverts ot human form and they can barely move him. Wasting a panel on showing dents in his side would be a waste of a panel. You should also consider that Wrecker was sharing his power with the Crew then.

It's part of Mutant Massacre.

He's self-described his hot knives as being able to reach the temperature of the sun, but I've never placed much stock in projecting the absolute upper limit of his powers onto that fight. Smacks of excuse-making to me. He obviously can, and frequently has, emitted heat that isn't as hot as the sun. Pete Wisdom is highly trained, likely was rolling with Colossus' blows. Fairly standard comic book explanation.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ His ribs were uber-f'ed up. Which is made apparent when he reverts ot human form and they can barely move him. Wasting a panel on showing dents in his side would be a waste of a panel. You should also consider that Wrecker was sharing his power with the Crew then.

It's part of Mutant Massacre.

He's self-described his hot knives as being able to reach the temperature of the sun, but I've never placed much stock in projecting the absolute upper limit of his powers onto that fight. Smacks of excuse-making to me. He obviously can, and frequently has, emitted heat that isn't as hot as the sun. Pete Wisdom is highly trained, likely was rolling with Colossus' blows. Fairly standard comic book explanation.

I remember the fight, but the same injured Colossus caught a falling ship that had to weigh a few hundred tons, and then kept fighting after that. And had Ulik shown him how to keep full power while sharing? Because the rest of the crew were getting manhandled by Colossus, Wrecker was actually afraid he was going to kill them.

Obviously he can regulate the heat of his knives to a degree, but I don't care how trained you are, a person with human durability, is not supposed to survive getting punched multiple times by a Class 100 metallic giant, whose trying to kill you, rolling with the punches or not.(Not sure where he was strengthwise during that arc, but Class 70-100 = dead Pete)

^ With respect to whatever ambiguous upgrade you're referencing, Secret Wars happened well before Ulik ever tutored the Wrecking Crew. And one clear shot from Wrecker's crowbar nearly killed him.

Rolling with punches is an indelible part of comics. It's one of the most frequent manifestations of comic writers taking advantage of the suspension of disbelief. I'm not trying to defend its real world physics validity, I'm just referencing its comic world physics pervasiveness.

Colossus has been majorly f'ed up before. He's been knocked out even more times. I'd daresay Cyclops should get the benefit of the doubt with respect to the latter, at the very least (especially since he knows exactly how durable Colossus is).

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ With respect to whatever ambiguous upgrade you're referencing, Secret Wars happened well before Ulik ever tutored the Wrecking Crew. And one clear shot from Wrecker's crowbar nearly killed him.

Rolling with punches is an indelible part of comics. It's one of the most frequent manifestations of comic writers taking advantage of the suspension of disbelief. I'm not trying to defend its real world physics validity, I'm just referencing its comic world physics pervasiveness.

Colossus has been majorly f'ed up before. He's been knocked out even more times. I'd daresay Cyclops should get the benefit of the doubt with respect to the latter, at the very least (especially since he knows exactly how durable Colossus is).

That's why I asked about Ulik and Wrecker.

As for his upgrades, he got stronger after Magneto healed him from Riptide's shurikens, and he naturally got stronger as he aged.

And I understand where you're coming from, but you can honestly say with a straight face, that you believe that Wisdom should've survived that encounter, when Colossus landed several clean punches, and had killing intent behind them?

Nobody knows exactly how durable he is, but he takes punishment like nobodies business, and as for knocking him out, it happens, but usually it takes a lot.

Originally posted by KingD19
And I understand where you're coming from, but you can honestly say with a straight face, that you believe that Wisdom should've survived that encounter, when Colossus landed several clean punches, and had killing intent behind them?

Originally posted by KingD19
Nobody knows exactly how durable he is, but he takes punishment like nobodies business, and as for knocking him out, it happens, but usually it takes a lot.

Oops. ermmhappy

amazing how this turned in to a "how tough is colossus thread" 😛

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Piotr is a pedophiliac tool. Just another reason I can read him phailing in a comic book and not raise an eyebrow. 😐

Oops. ermmhappy

So that was knocking him out with physical force? Funny, I thought Doom used a neural disruptor to mess up his motor functions, rendering him unconscious, and not hurting him at all. Sinister did something like that too, still, no physical force involved.

^ him screaming, "YEAARRRGH!!!!" is Russian for "I'm sleepy" ... is that right, comrade? Spasibo. kinda

In any case, I guess you believe Colossus is no more durable against neural disruption than joe schmoe. Don't lowball Colossus. Don't you dare.

HAHAHAHAHAH, sarcasm, how original. I was talking about him being ko'd by physical force, true Doom took him down with a neural disruptor, whoopdey frickin doo, did he hit him and knock him out? No, because he didn't want to stand up and bang with Colossus, even though he's fought Thing before, methinks Doom wanted to avoid a confrontation.

And Pete has no defense against mental/neural attacks, Sinister proved that a while ago.

^ Methinks Doom(bot) wanting to avoid a confrontation is possible. Yes. That's a Doombot. kinda

Piotr obviously has no more defense against a neural attack than an ordinary human does. Stop lowballing Colossus, hater. ermmhappy

Originally posted by KingD19

And Pete has no defense against mental/neural attacks, Sinister proved that a while ago.

So I didn't say that already?

i dislike Summers but yes he bfr's Colossus

Originally posted by KingD19
Wrecker's crowbar took him down, but he still showed no visible damage, and back then Wrecker was giving Thor trouble, while Colossus was still in his Class 70 days I believe.

No, Colossus was badly injured. And this was the weakest version of the Wrecker (and the rest of the Crew). They'd recently been listed as Class 10(!) in the Marvel Universe handbook, and unfortunately, Secret Wars writer Jim Shooter seemed to follow that guide, e.g. Bulldozer was one-shotted by Spidey!

Originally posted by Batroc
No, Colossus was badly injured. And this was the weakest version of the Wrecker (and the rest of the Crew). They'd recently been listed as Class 10(!) in the Marvel Universe handbook, and unfortunately, Secret Wars writer Jim Shooter seemed to follow that guide, e.g. Bulldozer was one-shotted by Spidey!

I know he was injured, but he still caught a ship that weighed a couple hundred tons, and he showed no surface damage. Before Wrecker snuck him, he was afraid Colossus was going to kill the rest of the Crew. And if so, then it's not Wrecker, it's the crowbar that damaged Colossus.

Originally posted by KingD19

The Pete Wisdom fight shouldn't be counted, despite the fact that his knives are as hot as the surface of the sun, temps which Colossus could not possibly handle. It shouldn't be counted though, because Pete Wisdom, with his human level durability was taking shots from Colossus, who was in a berserk rage, and was trying to kill him.

Originally posted by Batroc
No, Colossus was badly injured. And this was the weakest version of the Wrecker (and the rest of the Crew). They'd recently been listed as Class 10(!) in the Marvel Universe handbook, and unfortunately, Secret Wars writer Jim Shooter seemed to follow that guide, e.g. Bulldozer was one-shotted by Spidey!

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Do you realize that was one of Wrecker's highest showings.....ever?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That was obviously some good writing.

Some of the best I've ever read.....seriously.... 😐

Originally posted by Blanket
He one shotted Hulk... Colossus > Hulk?

That was during the early days, when Hulk was much weaker. During that same confrontation the Cage was working over some of the crew before getting taken down, and they took out Strange too.