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Additionally, I find your repeated use of "sure, blame the victim, guys" intellectually dishonest. And somewhat offensive.

She's the victim of an accident, sure, however she is, in my opinion, not the victim of McDonald's actions. By repeating victim you make it seem like we are trying to protect a perpetrator, McDonald's in your opinion. This is not the case. It's not like victim blaming in, lets say, rape cases, where it is very prevalent, I don't think it is fair to imply such a connection.

Apparently even the Jury realized that at least 20% of the blame has to go to her as well, we just think that it should be more than that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Additionally, I find your repeated use of "sure, blame the victim, guys" intellectually dishonest. And somewhat offensive.

She's the victim of an accident, sure, however she is, in my opinion, not the victim of McDonald's actions. By repeating victim you make it seem like we are trying to protect a perpetrator, McDonald's in your opinion. This is not the case. It's not like victim blaming in, lets say, rape cases, where it is very prevalent, I don't think it is fair to imply such a connection.

actually, that was sort of deliberate

"victim" isn't the right word, even though I do see the problem as stemming from McDonalds producing a beverage they knew was unfit for human consumption, and not her inability to not spill siad beverage.

It was a framing thing, before I really made a serious reply, I admitted to trolling earlier

Originally posted by inimalist
It was a framing thing, before I really made a serious reply, I admitted to trolling earlier

D@mnit, dude. Don't say stuff like that. That's a quick way to get banned. It's only trolling if we get offended. (Reads Bards post.) D@mnit, Bards, stop whining. 😆

Anywho, we can all agree that McDonald's had their coffee a tad too hot, but did so at the demands of some of their customers. Beyond that, McDonald's is not culpable. I would say that refunding her drink and maybe giving a gift certificate for some more free scalding coffee, is great customer service. Beyond that, it's demanding too much of McDonald's.

Originally posted by dadudemon
D@mnit, dude. Don't say stuff like that. That's a quick way to get banned. It's only trolling if we get offended. (Reads Bards post.) D@mnit, Bards, stop whining. 😆

Anywho, we can all agree that McDonald's had their coffee a tad too hot, but did so at the demands of some of their customers. Beyond that, McDonald's is not culpable. I would say that refunding her drink and maybe giving a gift certificate for some more free scalding coffee, is great customer service. Beyond that, it's demanding too much of McDonald's.

Well, I am not offended so much, I just don't like that way of arguing, so I pointed it out. I wouldn't have called it trolling though, it's very common.

The more you people argue, the more i'm convinced that woman was in the right. People spilling coffee, is not an uncommon occurrence. If your coffee is so hot that anyone who stays in it for 7 seconds, only 7 seconds, will get third degree burns... that's ridiculous negligence.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The more you people argue, the more i'm convinced that woman was in the right. People spilling coffee, is not an uncommon occurrence. If your coffee is so hot that anyone who stays in it for 7 seconds, only 7 seconds, will get third degree burns... that's ridiculous negligence.

It seemed like you were convinced of that before.

And apparently there were 700 burning incidents with McDonald's coffee over ten years, which they say is one incident for every 24000000 coffees sold...that doesn't seem that bad.

Again, it's boiling water that she ordered, one of the properties of boiling water is that it can burn you... that's not McDonald's fault for serving coffee as it is intended to be served.

Not really. I have spilled hot coffee on myself before... it was never hot enough, that I would have needed severe skin grafts after 7 second exposure.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Not really. I have spilled hot coffee on myself before... it was never hot enough, that I would have needed severe skin grafts after 7 second exposure.

She sat in her soaked sweat pants for more than 30 seconds. The 7 seconds was something one expert claimed, not sure if that was factual, besides however I doubt you were in the same scenario, you can't compare a little spill of coffee on your skin that you brush off in under a second to this...

And yes, really, coffee is supposed to be made with boiling water it's not meant to be drank that way right away of course, but that's how you want coffee.

The coffee is supposed to cool before you drink it though... or spill it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The coffee is supposed to cool before you drink it though... or spill it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
D@mnit, dude. Don't say stuff like that. That's a quick way to get banned. It's only trolling if we get offended. (Reads Bards post.) D@mnit, Bards, stop whining. 😆

It's really only trolling in that I was mocking your and Ms. Marvel's point in a topic relevant way, rather than discussing. I can't see why anyone would be so offended that I would get banned...

and ya, not that I don't care, but I don't think my rephrasing of an argument over tort law is keeping Bardock up at night in a fit of rage.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Anywho, we can all agree that McDonald's had their coffee a tad too hot, but did so at the demands of some of their customers. Beyond that, McDonald's is not culpable. I would say that refunding her drink and maybe giving a gift certificate for some more free scalding coffee, is great customer service. Beyond that, it's demanding too much of McDonald's.

I do question the concept of opening a coffee while it is in your lap...

but, imho, she deserved her hospital bills paid for, though I have very idealistic views on corporate responsibility; to me, the idea that they weren't bending over backward to get her the best physio money could buy sort of doesn't make sense.

No, I've never owned a business, why do you ask?

Originally posted by Bardock42
And yes, really, coffee is supposed to be made with boiling water it's not meant to be drank that way right away of course, but that's how you want coffee.

fair enough, but, I just got a coffee from Tim Horton's, basically a fascist movement in Canada, and I could totally drink it right away. Its hot, but that first sip did not burn my tongue.

Its not like there isn't a temperature for coffee that is both "hot" and "safe"

Originally posted by inimalist
fair enough, but, I just got a coffee from Tim Horton's, basically a fascist movement in Canada, and I could totally drink it right away. Its hot, but that first sip did not burn my tongue.

Its not like there isn't a temperature for coffee that is both "hot" and "safe"

I don't disagree, however I think it's not McDonald's fault for not serving it at exactly that temperature. When you order coffee I think it is on you to be clear that it may be up to 100°C. Obviously you don't usually get burned even with that hot water, she was in extraordinary circumstances some up to her, some not and it's just not fair to blame the person/company selling exactly what the woman wanted to her.

Though I feel this is a totally different argument actually. I think what many people are annoyed with is the huge amount that she was awarded, which doesn't seem to have fit, even if it was 100% McDonald's fault.

However that's not her fault of course, she didn't ask for that much money and we don't know how much she ultimately accepted. So, again, I don't agree with dadudemon's rhetoric against her.

Oh also, I know what Tim Hortons is, I've been to Canada. Yeah, I'm that cool.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, so she probably shouldn't have spilt it. Doesn't mean McDonald's should sell cold coffee.

Coffee is meant to be made at 100C, it should be served after it has cooled down a bit. I've never had a coffee from starbucks, for instance, that was too hot to drink.

Originally posted by King Kandy
There's a difference between "hot coffee" and "boiling coffee".

Coffee is meant to be made at 100C, it should be served after it has cooled down a bit. I've never had a coffee from starbucks, for instance, that was too hot to drink.

Well, I suppose that is exactly the point we disagree on. I think it should be alright to sell it hotter and you think they should be required to sell it at drinking temperature.

Like I said though, that's one side of the case, i.e. whether there should be one. Additionally we might argue whether what she was awarded was fair or far exaggerated.

Originally posted by King Kandy
There's a difference between "hot coffee" and "boiling coffee".

Coffee is meant to be made at 100C, it should be served after it has cooled down a bit. I've never had a coffee from starbucks, for instance, that was too hot to drink.

I disagree. It should be made for when you are going to drink it. In the car, you shouldn't really be drinking coffee while driving. It should be consumed once you get to the office. Meaning, it should be much closer to 85C than 65C.

I think the lady is to blamed for her own accident with her grandson picking up the tab for negligence. Shaky old farts spill shit (I mean that in more was than one 😘 ). Duh.

I can just picture the old lady screaming her old lady screams as she shakes out the entire contents of her drink onto her lap as her grandson just watches. Then, for 90 seconds, the both look at each other while the old lady shakes her old lady shakes while screaming her old lady screams, looking right into each other's eyes.

It stopped at 90 seconds because that's when the grandson was finally done with his Egg McMuffin. He was probably like, stop yelling, grandma, I can't hear myself chew!

I also bet that the old lady, after about 90s seconds, did old people smacks with her mouth when she stoped her old lady screams. "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! *smack smack smack* eeee heee heeeee!" Cause old people always go "eee heee heeee!" when they spit their dentures out because they are laughing out of embarassment. "eeeee heee heee! *smack smack smack*"

Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree. It should be made for when you are going to drink it. In the car, you shouldn't really be drinking coffee while driving. It should be consumed once you get to the office. Meaning, it should be much closer to 85C than 65C.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Er, no shit it should be made for when you drink it. And if it's made at 100C, then you can't drink it until it's cooled, because a 100C coffee is simply not drinkable and will burn your mouth. I've never had coffee that was served to me, that would have been dangerous to drink (well, it happened once but that was the only time). If this caused 3rd degree burns in 7 seconds, then it was not fit to drink when it was served.

You over looked the most important portions of my post. 😠 😠 😠 "eeeee heeee heeee! *smack smack*"

I didn't think it was very funny, and it certainly wasn't relevant to the debate...

Originally posted by King Kandy
I didn't think it was very funny, and it certainly wasn't relevant to the debate...

Of course, of course. Something I find funny (quite funny, actually. I laughed pretty hard when I was typing it out) is something you wouldn't find funny. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen you get a laugh out of anything on KMC. What DOES make you laugh, KK? hmm

However, I found it relevant to the debate. It puts into perspective what exactly was happening for 90 friggin' seconds. Sure, it's absurd, but it makes you wonder; what WAS her grandson doing while her crotch was cooking, literally.