Wally West & Barry Allen vs Thor & Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Naija boy
No one in marvel steals speed, hence i cant produce a scan of him resisting that exact attack. But there are instances of him resisting his bodily energies being drained. Since the KE drain is essentially the same sort of attack(an energy drain) then him resisitng his energies being drained is relevant evidence.

Originally posted by Starscream M
kinetic energy is very different from what we normally think of as energy though. I don't think its comparable.

Not sure why u think its not comparable. Surfers energy powers arise from control over the fundamental forces of the universe and. He has even resisted having his lifeforce/soul being drained and those arent what u would normally think of as energy either.

kinetic energy should be perceivable by the power cosmic, that's not even all that exotic a form of energy...

Barry and Wally have ran in space before, so Surfer flying won't be much of a hassle.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Barry and Wally have ran in space before, so Surfer flying won't be much of a hassle.

running a straight line would be quite different than 3d manuvering though...
not that they will need it if Barry is as powerful as his powerset these days implies

Originally posted by Warlord
running a straight line would be quite different than 3d manuvering though...
not that they will need it if Barry is as powerful as his powerset these days implies

I believe PC Barry didn't just run in a straight line.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I believe PC Barry didn't just run in a straight line.

you'd say he could manuver like a casual flyer?
I haven't seen anything like that from a flash

anyway as I said he won't need it as the avatar of the sf

Originally posted by Warlord
you'd say he could manuver like a casual flyer?
I haven't seen anything like that from a flash

anyway as I said he won't need it as the avatar of the sf

Not fly, but maneuver like he was on earth. But, yeah, I think Barry would be too much for Surfer. Especially with the SF backing him. I'll try and find some scans.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Not fly, but maneuver like he was on earth. But, yeah, I think Barry would be too much for Surfer. Especially with the SF backing him. I'll try and find some scans.

if he could walk in space as he would on earth he will be still moving in 2D. anyway...I'd like to know some of current Bary's feats if possible since I haven't followed.

Surfer stomps, imo.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer stomps, imo.

How does he stomp? If need, Barry would just go into the SF, where Surfer won't be able to touch him.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
How does he stomp? If need, Barry would just go into the SF, where Surfer won't be able to touch him.

re hiding in the speed force, wouldn't that be self bfr?
also, what makes you think Surfer wouldn't be able to access it?

further, Surfer could just close the dimension off or dump them in the astral plane or the microverse or the hyperverse...

Uh, no. How fast is Surfer exactly?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Uh, no. How fast is Surfer exactly?

Originally posted by janus77
yes, pretty much. he's billions of times faster than the speed of light.

Same with Barry. He raced from dimension to dimension in no time.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Same with Barry. He raced from dimension to dimension in no time.

Surfer thus merely taps them and they're dead.

I think Wally or Barry could drain Surfer. I doubt Surfer can resist the full power of the Speed Force.

I know Surfer's easily resisted power-draining attacks from far superior foes (rival heralds!) and he is perfectly capable of draining their powers too. thus further fuel for the argument that Surfer stomps these two.

Barry is above herald class, IMO. If Superman couldn't tag him and beings who can kill others with a simple touch, Surfer won't. Remember, Barry is the avatar of the SF. He basically IS the SF. SF power > any heald, IMO.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Barry is above herald class, IMO. If Superman couldn't tag him and beings who can kill others with a simple touch, Surfer won't. Remember, Barry is the avatar of the SF. He basically IS the SF. SF power > any heald, IMO.

if you think the speedforce > power cosmic, that's your prerogative. I see Surfer as being vastly superior to the Flash(es), by dint of the fact that he nullifies their one weapon (their speed) whilst retaining a plethora of outlandish advantages for himself.