Barry Allen vs Void Sentry

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
thats very true but im honestly asking someone anyone to show me any proof that sentry is capable of reaching the speeds that Barry can

the flash is faster then superman and supermans top is what like 10x the speed of light or something? so obviously flash is faster then that...and im pretty sure its by a huge margin

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman's flown between galaxies and shit.. His space travel speed is incredible. In Infinite Crisis he chased Superboy Prime towards the center of the universe in short time.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
so your saying that Barry Allen moving faster then the speed of light would get tagged by a character that has, not to my knowledge ever presented any feats that could show him surpassing the speed of light?

as soon as the battle starts im cretin that Barry would zoom into hyper speed so sentry would be merely a statue to at the very least give him time to think of every way he could beat him....

I have seen multiple flashes fight and this doesn't go down like you describe it. Was Konkivt a statue? Was DD a statue?

Sentry can defeat him in a heartbeat if you want the powerset debate.

Originally posted by Blanket
Barry only wins via BFR. Don't see any other way for him to win...

Correct.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He actually failed to keep up with Prime at the speed of light.

Supes has no issues with the speed of light.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman's flown between galaxies and shit.. His space travel speed is incredible. In Infinite Crisis he chased Superboy Prime towards the center of the universe in short time.

indeed he has....are you saying that at 10x the speed of light you can't do that? 😕

Originally posted by quanchi112
So even though we have seen the Sentry far outpace the speed of light he can't here? Why?

I have seen multiple flashes fight and this doesn't go down like you describe it. Was Konkivt a statue? Was DD a statue?

Sentry can defeat him in a heartbeat if you want the powerset debate.

hold on now...back up a little...

1st name the the event your speaking of or multiple events if at all possible where it shows him going faster then the speed of light

2nd ive read enough of flash to know how he fights aswell....you seem to be forgetting here on KMC that.....if not if not posted the fighters start in a predetermined(by the rules) area.....also unless stated otherwise each character will preform at their most recent incarnation....and while keeping in mind that every person included will stay in "character" they also can use all of there ability's to the best they can....not to mention each person involved has basic knowledge of the other(s) .......now of course that's not exactly how its worded but that's basically it.....now keeping that in mind Barry is the "smart" flash....he very well in character could zoom directly into speed mode because he knows the sentry's power set and could do exactly as i said earlier. and then overall dump him into the speed force...

and speaking of a power set argument...yea ok use the argument "sentry can do to him what he did to MM" essentially yes but myself im not even entirely sure that powers even realistic for that character because he used it that once and that's it...for goodness sakes why not just do that to thor and get it over with then.....so in short...him having that ability to me at least was just PIS but i digress and since technically it is his power i'll give it to him and say maybe he could do that to someone who has complete control over their molecules and in that case yes he wins because he can do anything he wants....but im not entirely convinced he could rearrange Flash's or even keep up with his speed for that matter.....

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
indeed he has....are you saying that at 10x the speed of light you can't do that? 😕

No. You'd need to be moving at hundreds of thousands the speed of light. 10X the speed of light would be insufficient to travel quickly through our solar system let alone half a universe.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
indeed he has....are you saying that at 10x the speed of light you can't do that? 😕

When he flew from the Vega system to Earth when Jimmy's watch went off in countdown, he traveled 25 lightyears in a minute or two. The math on that shows incredible speed.

Originally posted by Allankles
No. You'd need to be moving at hundreds of thousands the speed of light. 10X the speed of light would be insufficient to travel quickly through our solar system let alone half a universe.

Originally posted by Allankles
No. You'd need to be moving at hundreds of thousands the speed of light. 10X the speed of light would be insufficient to travel quickly through our solar system let alone half a universe.

alrighty then my mistake...either what i read was a mistake or i mistakenly read it(which is most likely it...mistakenly read it that is lol)

Even Green Lanterns when traveling through space in GLC have indicated they're going 'trans-luminal' to do so.

Originally posted by Juntai
Even Green Lanterns when traveling through space in GLC have indicated they're going 'trans-luminal' to do so.

well imo a green lantern should be able to go as fast as they want but for some reason they can't....which is why i have never tried to argue that point....

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Originally posted by Allankles
Supes has no issues with the speed of light.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
indeed he has....are you saying that at 10x the speed of light you can't do that? 😕

hold on now...back up a little...

1st name the the event your speaking of or multiple events if at all possible where it shows him going faster then the speed of light

2nd ive read enough of flash to know how he fights aswell....you seem to be forgetting here on KMC that.....if not if not posted the fighters start in a predetermined(by the rules) area.....also unless stated otherwise each character will preform at their most recent incarnation....and while keeping in mind that every person included will stay in "character" they also can use all of there ability's to the best they can....not to mention each person involved has basic knowledge of the other(s) .......now of course that's not exactly how its worded but that's basically it.....now keeping that in mind Barry is the "smart" flash....he very well in character could zoom directly into speed mode because he knows the sentry's power set and could do exactly as i said earlier. and then overall dump him into the speed force...

and speaking of a power set argument...yea ok use the argument "sentry can do to him what he did to MM" essentially yes but myself im not even entirely sure that powers even realistic for that character because he used it that once and that's it...for goodness sakes why not just do that to thor and get it over with then.....so in short...him having that ability to me at least was just PIS but i digress and since technically it is his power i'll give it to him and say maybe he could do that to someone who has complete control over their molecules and in that case yes he wins because he can do anything he wants....but im not entirely convinced he could rearrange Flash's or even keep up with his speed for that matter.....

Yes, and even at his best he isn't portrayed this far above everyone despite you thinking it so.

He doesn't need to do it more than once as you yourself stated the plot prevents him from doing so. You want to dismiss the instances where Flash isn't as fast and gets hit yet ignore the Sentry at his best. It's called being biased.

Bendis stated himself the Sentry has reality matter warping powers.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In that instance he most certainly did. Sentry's trip to the sun at the end of sentry's second run when he throws the Void into the sun.

Yes, and even at his best he isn't portrayed this far above everyone despite you thinking it so.

He doesn't need to do it more than once as you yourself stated the plot prevents him from doing so. You want to dismiss the instances where Flash isn't as fast and gets hit yet ignore the Sentry at his best. It's called being biased.

Bendis stated himself the Sentry has reality matter warping powers.

ok first point taken!

to your next point im pretty sure your off base here....im not dismissing anything here on either side.....if you didn't notice i brought up the Forum rules to point something out....this is not a comic panel fight this, is not whats best for plot of the story....so slowing down the flash because it's convenient for this fight doesn't work in this instance....yes he has been hit by mirror master,heatwave,captain cold,the frikkin turtle hit wally for goodness sake....am i dismissing that no.....barry alan has been shown to go fast and not get hit more then once where as sentry has only pulled an MM once....that was my main point when i said sentry/viod....only pulled an MM once(i should have been more clear my bad sorry).....

now if i forgot to argue a point please remind me....but let me ask you a question.....

by your logic if idk lets say aquaman(water bearer version) used his water hand and KO'ed superman just once then this encounter was never shown again that it would not be complete BS?

Combat speeds.

Void Sentry wins...

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
well imo a green lantern should be able to go as fast as they want but for some reason they can't....which is why i have never tried to argue that point....

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I can think of a few ways to argue it though...

Mainly through Kyle. He didn't have a GL computer, and there's no reason to believe he'd know about the shortcuts. No reason to believe he didn't simply fly to Oa under his own steam..

Also, in Circle of Fire, Superman flat out told Kyle he was their fastest flier, and I believe the battle against Oblivion took place at the edge of Earths solar system, or a little beyond it.