Originally posted by dadudemon
With the exception of truejedi being closer to correct, Darth Sidius was a better duelist, force user, etc. than Yoda. Yoda was bested in every way by Sidius, in the film. I'm not sure why you guys would even contradict that. Just rewatch the film.
Why do you think Sidious turned the tables and started the force fight? During the lightsaber duel, Sidious was screaming. Yoda was calm and collected. It was obvious when they met Sidious didn't want anything of Yoda.
"If so powerful you are, why leave?"
At the climax of the fight, Sidious poured everything he had at Yoda, only for it to be thrown right back at him. The rest was a result of positioning. Yoda, due to his small statuire, fell. On the other hand, Sidious didn't.
This is often an agreed upon theory that Sidious beat Yoda. Not from what I saw. Yoda looked superior.
You rewatch it. I've got it memorized.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Why do you think Sidious turned the tables and started the force fight? During the lightsaber duel, Sidious was screaming. Yoda was calm and collected. It was obvious when they met Sidious didn't want anything of Yoda."If so powerful you are, why leave?"
At the climax of the fight, Sidious poured everything he had at Yoda, only for it to be thrown right back at him. The rest was a result of positioning. Yoda, due to his small statuire, fell. On the other hand, Sidious didn't.
This is often an agreed upon theory that Sidious beat Yoda. Not from what I saw. Yoda looked superior.
You rewatch it. I've got it memorized.
Sidious did not fear Yoda, and he was having a blast. Mind you, he also won.
You rewatch it: Yoda got the beat down. I have it memorized.
Originally posted by WickedDynamiteIf you want to debate it that bad, why not use the existing thread in the SWVF? It's obvious that this will be a mess as because Mace doesn't have any feats. The only things he's done onscreen are kill Fett and defeat Sidious. Anakin has had many more feats of swordsmanship and Force use. Yes, Mace is better, but we can't exactly prove it substantially here. In the other forum, we can because of the authorization of EU feats.
Why not?
Excuse me, but recreating the exact same threads from the 'SWVF' in the 'MVF' seems ludicrous. 😕
Originally posted by dadudemon
Sidious did not fear Yoda, and he was having a blast. Mind you, he also won.You rewatch it: Yoda got the beat down. I have it memorized.
Sidious also had superior positioning. Sidious is probably superior to Yoda in offensive Force techniques such as TK. But he didn't win the Force fight.
Yoda got the beat down? Remember this bit?
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Yoda got the beat down? Remember this bit?
Remember the part where Yoda crawled away, bloody and beaten and Sidious walked away, thoroughly amused?
Yeah, that part was awesome. Loved it.
Oh, and remember the part where Yoda admitted his fail? Yeah, that part was awesome, too.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Remember the part where Yoda crawled away, bloody and beaten and Sidious walked away, thoroughly amused?Yeah, that part was awesome. Loved it.
Oh, and remember the part where Yoda admitted his fail? Yeah, that part was awesome, too.
thats not a fair indicator though. there were clone security all over that place and as shown mere minutes after the fight ended clones were swarming the area. yoda cant handle sideous + several squads of clones at the same time. he'd simply run out of time. he didnt leave because sideous was his superior.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
thats not a fair indicator though. there were clone security all over that place and as shown mere minutes after the fight ended clones were swarming the area. yoda cant handle sideous + several squads of clones at the same time. he'd simply run out of time. he didnt leave because sideous was his superior.
He left bloodied and beaten. He was close to getting killed, anyway.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Remember the part where Yoda crawled away, bloody and beaten and Sidious walked away, thoroughly amused?Oh, and remember the part where Yoda admitted his fail?
Bloody and beaten? Please.....
The reason he retreated was because of the 501 had come to Sidious' aid. So, if you want to get technical with it, Sidious had help. His bodyguards came to his rescue.
Yoda failed his mission: Kill Darth Sidious; doesn't mean he lost the fight. Mace failed to kill Sidious; we still acknowledge the fact that Sidious lost the lightsaber duel.
Originally posted by dadudemonYoda wasn't the one with the "Oh Shit!" look on his face, nor was he screaming.
He was close to getting killed, anyway.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
If you want to debate it that bad, why not use the existing thread in the SWVF? It's obvious that this will be a mess as because Mace doesn't have any feats. The only things he's done onscreen are kill Fett and defeat Sidious. Anakin has had many more feats of swordsmanship and Force use. Yes, Mace is better, but we can't exactly prove it substantially here. In the other forum, we can because of the authorization of EU feats.Excuse me, but recreating the exact same threads from the 'SWVF' in the 'MVF' seems ludicrous. 😕
Because SWVF goes by canon and more strictly to SW fans. Here, is more for non SW fans in other words more open for everyone.
Kinda like with Comic book superheroes.
Originally posted by dadudemon
With the exception of truejedi being closer to correct, Darth Sidius was a better duelist, force user, etc. than Yoda. Yoda was bested in every way by Sidius, in the film. I'm not sure why you guys would even contradict that. Just rewatch the film.
Yoda still had his lightsaber, long after Sidious lost his. I would say that advantage was obviously Yoda.
With the force, Sidious's lightning blew up in his face that gave him the ol'shit his pants face right before it blew. At the very least, THAT was a stale-mate.
Before the duel even started, Sidious tried to run. To ME, that's incredibly indicative of who was superior.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Imma say it was equal, Sidious had the upper hand for a while when he was higher and could bombard Yoda easily, but Yoda fought back and seemed to overpower him when Sidious threw the lightning though he landed most unfortunately. I wouldn't say from the movie that their was any clear cut winner.
And this is how those who have debated it for thousands of posts (sadly) have generally left it.
"Describe me, what do I look like?" - Mace
"What?" - Anakin
"What planet are you from?!" - Mace
" What?" - Anakin
"What ain't a planet I've heard of, do they speak english on What?" - Mace
"W...What?!" - Anakin
"ENGLISH, MOTHER****ER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?!" - Mace
"Yes!" - Anakin
"Then you know what I'm saying?!" - Mace
"...Yes!" - Anakin
"Describe me, what do I look like!" - Mace
"What!?" - Anakin
*prepare to gives the pimpslap*
"Say what again, say what again, I dare you, I double dare you mother****er, say what one more goddamn time." - Mace
And so on, until the end of Ezekiel. After that, Mace chop the head of Anakin.