Originally posted by KingD19
It kinda does cancel it, when they fought again, Juggernaut was clearly winning and paying no attention to CU's blows.
juggernaut wasnt winning he just punched CU and was holding him by his head but please explain me how does it prove that CU cand hurt him physically again?
Originally posted by geniously
juggernaut wasnt winning he just punched CU and was holding him by his head but please explain me how does it prove that CU cand hurt him physically again?
Even though Juggs had bruises, when he got off that table, he was perfectly fine. On top of that, that comic proved that CU has mental abilities, he hit Spidey with a Mind Zap that hurt him even worse than a Spider-Sense migraine, which have crippled Spidey before.
Originally posted by KingD19
Even though Juggs had bruises, when he got off that table, he was perfectly fine. On top of that, that comic proved that CU has mental abilities, he hit Spidey with a Mind Zap that hurt him even worse than a Spider-Sense migraine, which have crippled Spidey before.
it doesnt change the fact juggernaut was bruised and now the question how did he get bruised? either physical damage or energy damage still it goes against the fact he is very invulnerble being and seeing how juggernauts face was bruised the art was made to show he was hit in the face since a damage from blasts would cause more damage to his body then actually creating bloody nose and bruises around his face
yes CU has mentai abilities but that doesnt cancel the posibility he beat up juggernaut physically because mentally controlling your oponnent doesnt create bruises and beat him up like that so it was something else
Originally posted by geniously
this is the post i was talking about which you commented by saying " so now everything is PIS" and i mentioned that i didnt say its a PIS but i was asking people what do they think about the subject as you can see the question mark at the end
I was not commenting on that post. I quoted the post I was commenting on. I'll do it again for you.
Originally posted by geniously
i never said captain universe is weaker then spidy of course he is stronger but i just stated that he is not presented as some really strong force judging by how spider-man can bug him with his webs and everything i mean someone who can give juggernaut that kind of beating should get rid of spider-man like a fly but i guess its for the sake of the story or something ahhh what the heck
So you say that the whole story is PIS now?
Originally posted by geniously
it doesnt change the fact juggernaut was bruised and now the question how did he get bruised? either physical damage or energy damage still it goes against the fact he is very invulnerble being and seeing how juggernauts face was bruised the art was made to show he was hit in the face since a damage from blasts would cause more damage to his body then actually creating bloody nose and bruises around his faceyes CU has mentai abilities but that doesnt cancel the posibility he beat up juggernaut physically because mentally controlling your oponnent doesnt create beuises and beat him up like that so it was something else
No idea, it could possibly be a lower durability showing for him. Like being cut by Deadpool's knives.
Still, it's obvious that CU took Juggs down with mental attacks, since he ripped his helmet, and has shown at least moderately powerful mental abilities.
In a straight fist fight, I doubt CU's doing anything more than pissing Juggs off.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I was not commenting on that post. I quoted the post I was commenting on. I'll do it again for you.So you say that the whole story is PIS now?
you said PIS not me i just presented the facts which were shown in the comics which you yourself chose to call PIS , we dont know how strong this version is suppose to be but IMO someone who give juggernaut that kind of beating should handle spider-man easily
Originally posted by KingD19
No idea, it could possibly be a lower durability showing for him. Like being cut by Deadpool's knives.Still, it's obvious that CU took Juggs down with mental attacks, since he ripped his helmet, and has shown at least moderately powerful mental abilities.
In a straight fist fight, I doubt CU's doing anything more than pissing Juggs off.
i also said that its a low showing that goes against his usual durability like taking thors godblast
its not obvious that he took juggernaut down with mental abilities because juggernaut was all bruised up whichmeans he was damaged physically
well thats your opinion and speculation while i believe he damaged juggernaut with physical strength thats why juggernauts face was bruised like it should be after punches to the face and thats why CU was trying to punch him in the second fight because he knew it will work
Originally posted by geniously
i also said that its a low showing that goes against his usual durability like taking thors godblastits not obvious that he took juggernaut down with mental abilities because juggernaut was all bruised up whichmeans he was damaged physically
well thats your opinion and speculation while i believe he damaged juggernaut with physical strength thats why juggernauts face was bruised like it should be after punches to the face and thats why CU was trying to punch him in the second fight because he knew it will work
His bruises were obviously a low showing, but not why he was taken down. You honestly believe for the first time in his career, Juggs got downed by physical force by a Captain Universe? Just because he was bruised(which doesn't mean much), doesn't mean he was beaten with brute strength...since that like, never ever happens. His helmet was ripped clean off, and he had a nosebleed, which has happened when sufficient mental attacks were used on people before. The only reason CU would have for ripping off Juggs helmet is so he could use mental attacks. You're just in denial if you think differently.
Originally posted by KingD19
His bruises were obviously a low showing, but not why he was taken down. You honestly believe for the first time in his career, Juggs got downed by physical force by a Captain Universe? Just because he was bruised(which doesn't mean much), doesn't mean he was beaten with brute strength...since that like, never ever happens. His helmet was ripped clean off, and he had a nosebleed, which has happened when sufficient mental attacks were used on people before. The only reason CU would have for ripping off Juggs helmet is so he could use mental attacks. You're just in denial if you think differently.
i never said that fact goes well with juggernauts history, neither i stated my opinion about this all i said PIS or no PIS that its what happened IMO in that story, and those werent just bruises he had a bruised face bleeding nose and beuises that specific art was meant to tell us he was beat up come on when you see a picture of someone with bruises on his face and a broken nose dont you understand he was beat up? the same thing here... i know its strange but thats how they wrote the story and presented it , there is another posibility for his helmet ripping who said it has to be ripped just for telepathy? maybe CU was punching him and during his melee fight he tore his helmet off and continue to punch his face? which caused the bruises by the way ... see it can go both ways with the helmet
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Maybe CU had someway of weakening Jugg's connection to the gem. (Thor did something somewhat similar) And it came about by ripping off his helmet, mindblasting him to somehow weaken the connection, and then beating up on him while his invulnerability was greatly reduced.
i dont think a mental control can weaken him or disconect him from cyttorak and thor just canceled his force field for a moment and it was back then when marvel presented juggernaut as someone who is totaly vulnerble without his force field which later was changed and established as just his durability overall so i really dont think a mental control can disconnect him from cytorak and if something like that would happen i think it would be mentioned by juggernaut when he woke up or at least will be ... lets see how the story ends and see his upcoming fight to clear the things out
Originally posted by OrionSolosNot
I only saw small bruises in his face, not in his body, his body armor was all shiny and not a single scratch on his body was present...so what's your point? ontop of his high end durability Juggernaut has a amazing healing factor...
you are right i just saw the issue and his body and armor really didnt get hurt which also cancel the energy blasts theory , so i think its clear since only his face was bruised that he got beat up physically
Originally posted by geniously
i dont think a mental control can weaken him or disconect him from cyttorak and thor just canceled his force field for a moment and it was back then when marvel presented juggernaut as someone who is totaly vulnerble without his force field which later was changed and established as just his durability overall so i really dont think a mental control can disconnect him from cytorak and if something like that would happen i think it would be mentioned by juggernaut when he woke up or at least will be ... lets see how the story ends and see his upcoming fight to clear the things out
You don't think, but we have nothing to contradict it either to my knowledge. It would be an excellent explanation, and it would add another layer to Juggernaut's mental weakness; that someone of sufficient power level can mentally weaken the link.
Originally posted by geniouslythe fact that his body was just fine, and only his face can only be explain by the need of the writer to highlight his mental weakness, thats all, CU could never mustard enough punch power to even scratch juggernaut chest armor let alone his chest...
you are right i just saw the issue and his body and armor really didnt get hurt which also cancel the energy blasts theory , so i think its clear since only his face was bruised that he got beat up physically
Originally posted by geniouslythis changes Nothing...Juggernaut is the god of durability, gods like hercules wished they had half his durability
lets see how the story ends and see his upcoming fight to clear the things out
Originally posted by CosmicComet
You don't think, but we have nothing to contradict it either to my knowledge. It would be an excellent explanation, and it would add another layer to Juggernaut's mental weakness; that someone of sufficient power level can mentally weaken the link.
its something never happened before so to suggest something that never happened... has less weight then to contredict it , its like me saying that pizza is hulks weakness and then tell you that you dont know for a fact that pizza isnt his weakness therefor you cant cancel it
Originally posted by OrionSolosNot
the fact that his body was just fine, and only his face can only be explain by the need of the writer to highlight his mental weakness, thats all, CU could never mustard enough punch power to even scratch juggernaut chest armor let alone his chest...this changes Nothing...Juggernaut is the god of durability, gods like hercules wished they had half his durability
so why was his face bruised and bleeding nose? mental control doesnt cause your face to get bruised
Originally posted by geniouslyHow do you know mental attacks cant be combined with physicals and don't say logic, comic logic does not follows real life logic
so why was his face bruised and bleeding nose? mental control doesnt cause your face to get bruised
do you know what happens if juggernaut dies?
Originally posted by OrionSolosNot
How do you know mental attacks cant be combined with physicals and don't say logic, comic logic does not follows real life logicdo you know what happens if juggernaut dies?
there is some kind of logic that should be aplied even in comics and since even in marvel mental attacks never caused anyones face to be bruised its safe to asume that a mental control cant bruise your face and it would be laughable to suggest something like that it makes no sense
mental attacks cant take away juggernauts durability therefor your theory doesnt make any sense even in comics standards
Originally posted by geniously
its something never happened before so to suggest something that never happened... has less weight then to contredict it , its like me saying that pizza is hulks weakness and then tell you that you dont know for a fact that pizza isnt his weakness therefor you cant cancel it
LOL. Oh please...spare me the intelligence insulting (mine and yours) extremist example attempt.
I'm providing a possible explanation to a question you posed. "How was Juggernaut bruised?"
For some reason you don't seem to like it and are more content to believe that CU, whose physical might hasn't shown to be impressive enough to hurt Juggernaut, somehow did.