Originally posted by CynerPretty much yes.
Well it would make sense if you were comparing slowbro to slowking which are two separate evolutionary paths but Alakazam is a straight line path where he retains all the powers of his former states.
Slowpoke --> Slowking. Slowpoke that grew up into a slowking.
Slowpoke --> SlowBro Slowpoke that grew up into a slowbro.
Both are still slowpokes, and lose nothing upon evolution. Puberty is just kinder to Slowking, though SlowBro is more of a badass.
I really hope you're not trying to insinuate that Abra and Alakazam are seperate characters, and that Kadabra loses power as it grows? That would be incredibly illogical.
Kind of like how illogical it is that Poliwrath loses the ability to tail wag becuase it loses a tail, or Venomoth loses the ability to walk with legs, or Persian loses the ability to walk upright or Golem loses the ability to scratch its nose or how Dragonites entire body structure changes or how Alakazam has never shown or been mentioned to possess haxxed teleporting or how humans became less feral and instinctive with developing brains and forgot how to instinctively walk on all fours.
And its like puberty in how you used to look like a chimpanzee: Nothing. As in its not puberty at all. Its evolution. As in their entire bodies have changed. Whats illogical is to assume that their bodies are thus exactly the same. 😬
Originally posted by NephthysOh, hey look, a bunch of irrelevant points in relation to Alakazam.
Kind of like how illogical it is that Poliwrath loses the ability to tail wag becuase it loses a tail, or Venomoth loses the ability to walk with legs, or Persian loses the ability to walk upright or Golem loses the ability to scratch its nose or how Dragonites entire body structure changes or how Alakazam has never shown or been mentioned to possess haxxed teleporting or how humans became less feral and instinctive with developing brains and forgot how to instinctively walk on all fours.And its like puberty in how you used to look like a chimpanzee: Nothing. As in its not puberty at all. Its evolution. As in their entire bodies have changed. Whats illogical is to assume that their bodies are thus exactly the same. 😬
The only valid ones you made are where pokemon actually lose something in an evolution, which Alakzam does not. You know what's interesting? Real animals do all of those things during puberty, in real life.
Venonat ---> Venomoth? Based on real life insects, ZOMG! Also, Venomoth still has legs, kthnx.
Poliwag is based on a tadpole, SURPRISE, did you know a Poliwhirl can do everything poliwag can do that does not require a tail, and better?
Persian's body changes shape, so do ours. Interestingly, this point is wholly irrelevant because Alakazam's mind is advancing the whole time it's alive. Infact, it remembers every moment of it's life since being born as an Abra. And his mind is where all his power comes from. Are you arguing Persian gets dumber, or has a brain transplant?
Calling something evolution does not make it evolution, or the Megaton hammer weighs a million tons. Flawed logic is flawed, **** the name. Pokemon gets older, it's body matures. Alakazam can do everything Abra can do, and trying to make a ridiculous claim that it can't based on the word used and no actual evidence is the same as claiming I can't crawl because I am no longer a toddler, despite my body being capable of all the same things a toddler can do, and all my abilities, including motor skill, being more advanced.
Calling something evolution does not make it evolution, or the Megaton hammer weighs a million tons.
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Flawed logic is flawed, **** the name. Pokemon gets older, it's body matures.
No, a pokemon gets powerful and then a magical light envelops it and warps its entire body into a new form. That is nothing like puberty.
Alakazam can do everything Abra can do,
Proof?
and trying to make a ridiculous claim that it can't based on the word used and no actual evidence is the same as claiming I can't crawl because I am no longer a toddler, despite my body being capable of all the same things a toddler can do, and all my abilities, including motor skill, being more advanced.
No, its like me claiming that you can't climb trees and run on all fours in the same way that your monkey anscestors could becuase your body and mind have changed errovocably. The feat itself (from the pokedex btw 🙂 ), speaks of Abra doing shit in its sleep via instinct. We know (by pokedex) that Alakazam is vastly mentally different from Abra, so its illogical too assume that it can perform actions in the same way.
No, a pokemon gets powerful and then a magical light envelops it and warps its entire body into a new form. That is nothing like puberty.Because pokemon totally don't exhibit transition stages? OHwait! Yes they do. 😐 It's fast puberty. Nothing more.
No, its like me claiming that you can't climb trees and run on all fours in the same way that your monkey anscestors could becuase your body and mind have changed errovocably.Been debunked and destroyed, repeating yourself ad nauseum is just going to make you look foolish.
...So keep doing it.
The feat itself (from the pokedex btw ), speaks of Abra doing shit in its sleep via instinct. We know (by pokedex) that Alakazam is vastly mentally different from Abra,That's why Alakazam remembers everything from it's childhood as an Abra? Their brains are irrevocably different? Lawl, no. Hell, Alakazam's body isn't even different, just more mature.
Also, evolution requires changes over seperate generations to a species, what we're discussing is puberty by a more family friendly name. You're, again, trying to weaken the opposition to your precious final fantasy with any argument you can cling onto, no matter how illogical it is.
Pokemon go through puberty, and become more powerful, not less powerful as a result. Alakzam outspeeds Sephiroth by a horrific margin, even Abra can outspeed him whiel asleep.
Because pokemon totally don't exhibit transition stages? OHwait! Yes they do. :no expression: It's fast puberty. Nothing more.
What the heck do you mean by 'transition stages'? Kadabra? No, thats another evolution, akin to homo erectus to humans and apes. Poke evolution magically changes the entire body of the pokemon. To say that its always the same but better is illogical. And it isn't puberty.
Been debunked and destroyed, repeating yourself ad nauseum is just going to make you look foolish....So keep doing it.
I don't recall you debunking that point but whatever. *repeats himself ad nauseum*
That's why Alakazam remembers everything from it's childhood as an Abra? Their brains are irrevocably different? Lawl, no. Hell, Alakazam's body isn't even different, just more mature.Also, evolution requires changes over seperate generations to a species, what we're discussing is puberty by a more family friendly name. You're, again, trying to weaken the opposition to your precious final fantasy with any argument you can cling onto, no matter how illogical it is.
Pokemon go through puberty, and become more powerful, not less powerful as a result. Alakzam outspeeds Sephiroth by a horrific margin, even Abra can outspeed him whiel asleep.
Does it? The dex entry says it remembers everything it learns. No mention of Abra. In fact it says that it remembers everything becuase 'Its brain cells multiply continually until it dies', Abra does not have that feat so...yeah.
And their brains are 'irrevocably different'. The dex says that Alakazam has an IQ of 5000 while it says Abra is so stupid that 'Using its psychic power is such a strain on its brain that it needs to sleep for 18 hours a day'.
In fact it also says that only 'If it decides to teleport randomly, it evokes the illusion that it has created copies of itself.' So it isn't really a viable battle tactic is it. It has no control over the action. The only thing about it being asleep is thatit, 'Sleeps 18 hours a day. If it senses danger, it will teleport itself to safety even as it sleeps.' Again, not combat material, just a defence mechanism.
I don't give a shit about FF or pokemon. I just don't like watching you overhype your favourite characters using shitty logic.
I don't recall you debunking that point but whatever. *repeats himself ad nauseum*
The only valid ones you made are where pokemon actually lose something in an evolution, which Alakzam does not. You know what's interesting? Real animals do all of those things during puberty, in real life.Venonat ---> Venomoth? Based on real life insects, ZOMG! Also, Venomoth still has legs, kthnx.
Poliwag is based on a tadpole, SURPRISE, did you know a Poliwhirl can do everything poliwag can do that does not require a tail, and better?
Persian's body changes shape, so do ours. Interestingly, this point is wholly irrelevant because Alakazam's mind is advancing the whole time it's alive. Infact, it remembers every moment of it's life since being born as an Abra. And his mind is where all his power comes from. Are you arguing Persian gets dumber, or has a brain transplant?Calling something evolution does not make it evolution, or the Megaton hammer weighs a million tons. Flawed logic is flawed, **** the name. Pokemon gets older, it's body matures.
Also, evolution requires changes over seperate generations to a species, what we're discussing is puberty by a more family friendly name.
See?
In fact it says that it remembers everything becuase 'Its brain cells multiply continually until it dies', Abra does not have that feat so...yeah.Zomg, it's brain grows as it matures!?!!? MADNESS!
And their brains are 'irrevocably different'. The dex says that Alakazam has an IQ of 5000 while it says Abra is so stupid that 'Using its psychic power is such a strain on its brain that it needs to sleep for 18 hours a day'.
In fact it also says that only 'If it decides to teleport randomly, it evokes the illusion that it has created copies of itself.' So it isn't really a viable battle tactic is it. It has no control over the action.Emphasis mine. Tell me how that indicates no control over the action? Or did you make that up based on nothing? 😬
I don't give a shit about FF or pokemon. I just don't like watching you overhype your favourite characters using shitty logic.I lol'd.
I've got you on the ropes atm, because youe argument is hilarious. 😐 And my logic is shitty. Righto.
Edit: And overhype? Lawl! I was the one who highlighted on page one that Alakazam doesn't have much in raw power feats.
See?
Not really. Pretend for a moment that I'm not 5x as smart as yourself and spell it out clearly.
That makes Abra stupid? No, it makes it an infant.
No, what makes it stupid is that nothing positive is said about its mental functions and its indicated that its brain is underdeveloped.
Also: 'Its brain cells multiply continually until it dies'
^Shot yourself in the foot.
How? Abra and Kadabras ones do not, so there is no proof that he can remember jack diddly about their lives at all. 🙂
I'd also like to add, Abra, while it sleeps those eighteen hours a day, still outspeeds Sephiroth. While asleep, as an infant.
According to teh pokedex. awermm
Emphasis mine. Tell me how that indicates no control over the action? Or did you make that up based on nothing?
The 'at random' part. Its like me flailing my arms. I'm fast, but it doesn't show reaction speed, just raw movement. Its basically what we were talking about in the Dante thread. Being able to flail randomly doesn't mean you can react to someone teleporting behind you and cutting your head off.
I lol'd.I've got you on the ropes atm, because youe argument is hilarious. no expression And my logic is shitty. Righto.
Trying to claim that someone can do something becuase someone else can is shitty. Just to let you know. 😉
Not really. Pretend for a moment that I'm not 5x as smart as yourself and spell it out clearly.Lol'd. If you can't comprehend what I've spelled out in black and white, you have no room to claim to be more intelligent than I am. 😉
No, what makes it stupid is that nothing positive is said about its mental functions and its indicated that its brain is underdeveloped.So underdeveloped it can teleport fast enough to appear to have made multiple copies of itself.
How? Abra and Kadabras ones do not, so there is no proof that he can remember jack diddly about their lives at all.
What was that?
According to teh pokedex.Exactly.
The 'at random' part. Its like me flailing my arms. I'm fast, but it doesn't show reaction speed, just raw movement. Its basically what we were talking about in the Dante thread.You realise in order for it to do what it does, it needs to teleport back to where it was to maintain the image of copies, right? Teleport "randomly" can indicate that it randomly chose to teleport, or that the locations it teleports to are chosen at random. It does not detract from the feat at all.
Trying to claim that someone can do something becuase someone else can is shitty. Just to let you know.Trying to claim the younger self of a character is a seperate character entirely is pretty shitty, actually. 😉
Abra: Alakazam as an infant. Not seperate.