kids sent home from school for wearing USA flag shirts..

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
I agree with you, but it seems to be getting worse. In one sense, we are so politically correct that we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings...especially foreign cultures. In another sense, the U.S. seems to be turning into a more totalitarian state with legislation such as the Patriot Act and attacks on the the Constition itself. The first amendment, as I mentioned, is not looked upon favorably by many politicians and judges in this country.

With the attack on the National Day of Prayer, religion is slowly being persecuted in this country. We don't want to offend any atheists, so we have to do away with national prayer? We don't want to hurt anyone who doesn't believe in God, but at that same time...we're offending those that do believe in God. America was founded upon the principle...Freedom OF Religion...not Freedom FROM Religion. Just because there is a national day of Prayer..does not mean atheists are forced to participate. That is just..politically incorrect. In any case, that is off topic. The point is...I agree with you. We shouldn't be worried about the petty things in life. We should concentrate harder on the major problems in this country...like the economy.

Most people who complain about - or try and use the First Amendment in defense of themselves or something they have done - actually have no idea what it really means. It does not mean you can say or do whatever you want without recourse or consequence. It simply means that the government cannot make laws, and stuff like hate speech, threats, and the like are not protected under it. Wearing a swastika shirt to school - where such a thing is NEVER appropriate - can be considered a symbol of hate speech, and hence it is not a First Amendment violation to rule that such a thing is not allowed.

The National Day of Prayer should be contested. It directly defies the Establishment Clause that is a part of the First Amendment - the government may not pass any laws enforcing any sort of religious observances. Hence, the Day of Prayer is unconstitutional. If a private organization wants to do something like that, then they may - that is within their rights. But the government cannot. Poor Christians, being persecuted where they are the majority and are in power, however can they stand it 🙄

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
its already been established that legally they can do that.

doesnt make it right though.

if youre afraid of nationalism sparking a conflict, get rid of it completely. dont allow either side to flaunt their ethnicity. but dont punish group one, who's only crime was doing the same thing as group 2, purely for the sake of avoiding group 2's potential butt hurt.

Originally posted by King Kandy
"Group 2" wasn't flaunting their ethnicity, and I don't think group one was either. It was cinco de mayo, you're almost expected to do such things. I can't believe you can't see a difference between the intents made obvious between wearing a US flag on Cinco de Mayo, and, let's say, the 4th of July.

who gives a **** about cinco de mayo? im almost full blooded Mexican and i dont give a **** about cinco de mayo. its not even an actual holiday here and even if it was that doesnt mean that people should get special privelages.

to repeat robtards point, if it was the 4th of july and a mexican kid came to school wearing a t-shirt colored completely in mexican colors, or it said viva mexico or something on it, no one would give a shit.

so in an american school in mexico during summer school would they send home latino kids for wearing mexican flag shirts on the 4th of july ? NOOOOOO

but we dont have the right to wear our flag and our colors when we want.

im hispanic and i think this is BS. everyone has the right to wear their country emblems on their clothes when ever they want.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
who gives a **** about cinco de mayo? im almost full blooded Mexican and i dont give a **** about cinco de mayo. its not even an actual holiday here and even if it was that doesnt mean that people should get special privelages.

to repeat robtards point, if it was the 4th of july and a mexican kid came to school wearing a t-shirt colored completely in mexican colors, or it said viva mexico or something on it, no one would give a shit.

Originally posted by King Kandy
[B]Well even disregarding the fact that school isn't in session in July...

just stop it kandy.

if Mexican students wore mexican flags on the 4th, then I wouldn't be surprised if they got censored in a similar way. I've seen latino students censored for less than that.

but they dont. i went to a high school with a very latino population, and we could get away with ethnic flaunting way more than white kids could. america has a soft spot for minorities, some kind of stupid guilt.

its dumb. minorities and gays (redundant?) dont deserve special attention or consideration. ever. they deserve to be treated like everyone else. that includes the limitations and judgments that everyone else is suspect to.

im mexican and black, but i dont like double standards period.

The 4th of July scenario was a hypothetical; he knew that.

And no, kids wearing a Mexican (or other country) flag wouldn't be penalized, as no one would give a shit, as it's just a shirt/flag.

Originally posted by Robtard
The 4th of July scenario was a hypothetical; he knew that.

And no, kids wearing a Mexican (or other country) flag wouldn't be penalized, as no one would give a shit, as it's just a shirt/flag.

so your experience overrides other peoples' mmm

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
so your experience overrides other peoples' mmm

Originally posted by Peach
Most people who complain about - or try and use the First Amendment in defense of themselves or something they have done - actually have no idea what it really means. It does not mean you can say or do whatever you want without recourse or consequence. It simply means that the government cannot make laws, and stuff like hate speech, threats, and the like are not protected under it. Wearing a swastika shirt to school - where such a thing is NEVER appropriate - can be considered a symbol of hate speech, and hence it is not a First Amendment violation to rule that such a thing is not allowed.

The National Day of Prayer should be contested. It directly defies the Establishment Clause that is a part of the First Amendment - the government may not pass any laws enforcing any sort of religious observances. Hence, the Day of Prayer is unconstitutional. If a private organization wants to do something like that, then they may - that is within their rights. But the government cannot. Poor Christians, being persecuted where they are the majority and are in power, however can they stand it 🙄

If that is targeted by the government, then why isn't swearing oaths on the Bible declared unconstitutional in courts of law?Also, Christians do not run the U.S. government.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No... you said it would never happen. It has happened once (and the case we're discussing, where the US flag was censored, also happened once).

so then you agree that there is a double standard that exists as a result of knee jerking minority apologists?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
so then you agree that there is a double standard that exists as a result of knee jerking minority apologists?

I have seen whites be censured for mexican concerns, once.

I have also seen mexicans censured for white concerns, once.

That's not a double standard.

so because you have seen something happen... once, thats just.. how it is?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
so your experience overrides other peoples' mmm

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
so because you have seen something happen... once, thats just.. how it is?

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Also, Christians do not run the U.S. government.

When the majority of people in each branch of government are Christian then Christians do run the government, though not as some unified force of "Christianity".

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, because the issue we have seen here in this thread, also happened ONCE (the topic being reported in the OP).

how do you know its only happened once?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When the majority of people in each branch of government are Christian then Christians do run the government, though not as some unified force of "Christianity".

Who says they are Christian? Most politicians will claim that..especially to gather votes from the Bible belt states. Their actions speak differently once in office. Obama is a prime example.

This is just like those kids who get sent home for making sexual or
"inappropriate" comments. Sure, the Constitution says they can, but its more of a common courtesy thing.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Who says they are Christian? Most politicians will claim that..especially to gather votes from the Bible belt states. Their actions speak differently once in office. Obama is a prime example.

👆 Obama's a closet Atheist who went to church for his image and nothing else.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
If that is targeted by the government, then why isn't swearing oaths on the Bible declared unconstitutional in courts of law?Also, Christians do not run the U.S. government.

Swearing an oath on the Bible is not required by law.

And considering the fact that the vast majority of people in power and in the government are Protestant Christians, yes. They do. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going "lalalala not listening" doesn't change the facts.