Originally posted by Galan007It all depends of the level of gravity manip.
It really does depend on the characters involved. For instance, Starman has used his gravitational-esque powers to: stabilize an entire star system, create mini singularities, pin down 3rd world Gog, etc. However, those same powers proved insufficient to overcome the strength of KC Superman.srug
Originally posted by Galan007No one phucks with the Superman.
It really does depend on the characters involved. For instance, Starman has used his gravitational-esque powers to: stabilize an entire star system, create mini singularities, pin down 3rd world Gog, etc. However, those same powers proved insufficient to overcome the strength of KC Superman.srug
A couple of things. Nova's gravity powers operate quite a bit differently then Graviton's. Graviton can manipulate gravitons and anti-gravitons on a massive scale. He is all raw power, the Hulk of gravity manipulators so to speak.
Nova's powers are a little more varied and subtle. His gravity powers deal more along the lines of precision manipulation of mass, weight and volume as it relates to gravity, hence the word "Gravimetric". Although he can effect inertia and g forces as well.
Say for example, that there's a glass sitting on a table. Graviton could will the gravity around the glass to increase it's weight to let's say, 200 tons, with a mere thought. Nova could do the same, but he has to weave a sort of gravimetric field around the glass to increase it's mass. Same outcome, two totally different way's to achieve it.
Graviton could will the gravity in the city of Phoenix to increase by 20 times. Nova would have to place an enormous gravimetric bubble around the city to achieve the same effect. And the feat where Graviton had all of those heroes pinned in mid air, Nova wouldn't be able to replicate that. He could place individuals inside of a gravity bubble so strong that they would never escape, he could pin them or place them in a gravity weave making them to heavy to move, but he couldn't simply just "will" gravity to pin all of those people.
However Nova's gravimetric power has some advantages over Graviton. For one he has no limits on how much energy he can expend. He can manipulate the gravity of individual grains of sand ( Nova # 32) or he can manipulate the gravity of a star to create a wormhole (Nova # 7). He has no limits on how much gravimetric weight he can manipulate. His can also manipulate gravimetric energy with pin point accuracy. Meaning if he wanted to, he could shoot a compressed pulse with a gravimetric weight of 2000 tons at your eyeball. Or he can place a thin gravity field on your mouth and nose that you could never get off. He can also make gravimetric constructs that are basically indestructable and make them weigh as much as he wants (Nova 17) and open wormhole anywhere (even inside of you Nova #30 and 35)And of course his shielding is insanely durable (herald my rage, Annihilation #6 ?)
Of course Gravity (Gregg) is probably more powerful then both of them.
Originally posted by dmillsSo they each have advantages over each other?
A couple of things. Nova's gravity powers operate quite a bit differently then Graviton's. Graviton can manipulate gravitons and anti-gravitons on a massive scale. He is all raw power, the Hulk of gravity manipulators so to speak.Nova's powers are a little more varied and subtle. His gravity powers deal more along the lines of precision manipulation of mass, weight and volume as it relates to gravity, hence the word "Gravimetric". Although he can effect inertia and g forces as well.
Say for example, that there's a glass sitting on a table. Graviton could will the gravity around the glass to increase it's weight to let's say, 200 tons, with a mere thought. Nova could do the same, but he has to weave a sort of gravimetric field around the glass to increase it's mass. Same outcome, two totally different way's to achieve it.
Graviton could will the gravity in the city of Phoenix to increase by 20 times. Nova would have to place an enormous gravimetric bubble around the city to achieve the same effect. And the feat where Graviton had all of those heroes pinned in mid air, Nova wouldn't be able to replicate that. He could place individuals inside of a gravity bubble so strong that they would never escape, he could pin them or place them in a gravity weave making them to heavy to move, but he couldn't simply just "will" gravity to pin all of those people.
However Nova's gravimetric power has some advantages over Graviton. For one he has no limits on how much energy he can expend. He can manipulate the gravity of individual grains of sand ( Nova # 32) or he can manipulate the gravity of a star to create a wormhole (Nova # 7). He has no limits on how much gravimetric weight he can manipulate. His can also manipulate gravimetric energy with pin point accuracy. Meaning if he wanted to, he could shoot a compressed pulse with a gravimetric weight of 2000 tons at your eyeball. Or he can place a thin gravity field on your mouth and nose that you could never get off. He can also make gravimetric constructs that are basically indestructable and make them weigh as much as he wants (Nova 17) and open wormhole anywhere (even inside of you Nova #30 and 35)And of course his shielding is insanely durable (herald my rage, Annihilation #6 ?)
Of course Gravity (Gregg) is probably more powerful then both of them.
Originally posted by dmills
A couple of things. Nova's gravity powers operate quite a bit differently then Graviton's. Graviton can manipulate gravitons and anti-gravitons on a massive scale. He is all raw power, the Hulk of gravity manipulators so to speak.Nova's powers are a little more varied and subtle. His gravity powers deal more along the lines of precision manipulation of mass, weight and volume as it relates to gravity, hence the word "Gravimetric". Although he can effect inertia and g forces as well.
Say for example, that there's a glass sitting on a table. Graviton could will the gravity around the glass to increase it's weight to let's say, 200 tons, with a mere thought. Nova could do the same, but he has to weave a sort of gravimetric field around the glass to increase it's mass. Same outcome, two totally different way's to achieve it.
Graviton could will the gravity in the city of Phoenix to increase by 20 times. Nova would have to place an enormous gravimetric bubble around the city to achieve the same effect. And the feat where Graviton had all of those heroes pinned in mid air, Nova wouldn't be able to replicate that. He could place individuals inside of a gravity bubble so strong that they would never escape, he could pin them or place them in a gravity weave making them to heavy to move, but he couldn't simply just "will" gravity to pin all of those people.
However Nova's gravimetric power has some advantages over Graviton. For one he has no limits on how much energy he can expend. He can manipulate the gravity of individual grains of sand ( Nova # 32) or he can manipulate the gravity of a star to create a wormhole (Nova # 7). He has no limits on how much gravimetric weight he can manipulate. His can also manipulate gravimetric energy with pin point accuracy. Meaning if he wanted to, he could shoot a compressed pulse with a gravimetric weight of 2000 tons at your eyeball. Or he can place a thin gravity field on your mouth and nose that you could never get off. He can also make gravimetric constructs that are basically indestructable and make them weigh as much as he wants (Nova 17) and open wormhole anywhere (even inside of you Nova #30 and 35)And of course his shielding is insanely durable (herald my rage, Annihilation #6 ?)
Of course Gravity (Gregg) is probably more powerful then both of them.
That was old-school Graviton.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
[quickquote=12714866](auto quote)What does new school do?
The version of Graviton who fought Iron Man was weak. Graviton was strongest when he trained to hone his powers with Moonstone. He sat meditating in LA, picked up a stone in China, and shot it through a woman's head. I believe that woman was Moonstone's friend, and Graviton knew that. Before that, he granted flight to more than 50 people without actively concentrating. He also took it away with a thought.
Originally posted by Johnny SorrowMeaning massive grav manip.
The version of Graviton who fought Iron Man was weak. Graviton was strongest when he trained to hone his powers with Moonstone. He sat meditating in LA, picked up a stone in China, and shot it through a woman's head. I believe that woman was Moonstone's friend, and Graviton knew that. Before that, he granted flight to more than 50 people without actively concentrating. He also took it away with a thought.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Meaning massive grav manip.
Massive as well as precise.
Originally posted by dmills
I'm not sure we are disagreeing. Graviton has that level of gravity control and power. Nova doesn't. At least, not that he has shown. But Nova g-mip is still <<< strength. Easily.
We're not. I'm pointing out that for a short time, Graviton actually tried to perfect his powers. He was able to exhibit a great deal of control and precision during that time, just like Nova. Unlike Nova, Graviton has confidence issues and only did it as long as he believed he was worthy of performing such feats.