Like Venom, or The Lizard, or any of the gassed up and or further upgraded Goblins, or Morlun, or Scorpion, or Carnage who is like 1,000,000x more dangerous than Creed. And oh, all of them save Morlun and the Goblins have claws that rip through steel... Spidey's been scratched before.
Creed: I'm gonna squash you you bug!
Spidey: ('o'😉 Oh no! A less powerful, less interesting version of all my other superstrong psychopaths! And get this! he's not even smart! At least The Lizard's alter ego is a genious! (well... except Scorpion, he's a dum@$$).
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
Writers like to choose when to bend the rules, e.i. Creed ripping his own face off, which is the true holding power of Spidey's webbing. Inconsistency. That kind of PIS happens all the time. Weaker characters have pulled apart webbing, and yet, they really shouldn't be able to pull webbing off that easy.
SO you argue that his webbings inconsistent but get butt-hurt about an example that falls into a sub category of it's inconsistency?
In any case there's no inconsistency here. The webbing can be cut Sabretooth can cut it and did cut it...
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
Like Venom,
Originally posted by Spiderninja008Lizard looked like a joke compared to Wolverine... Just because he's strong and fast doesn't make him a good matchup for someone like Tooth.
or The Lizard,
Originally posted by Spiderninja008The Goblins are NOWHERE NEAR as effective as Sabretooth in melee range. I don't think that's even for a moment up for debate.
or any of the gassed up and or further upgraded Goblins,
Originally posted by Spiderninja008Uhhh... 😕
or Morlun,
Once again I'm not sure how you think that helps your case, Morlun nearly killed/did kill Spidey several times, and the only thing that saved his ass were plot devices...
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
or Scorpion,
Gargan? Sorry but I fail to see where Scorpions a huge threat in melee combat here. Sabretooth would have him shredded in about 3 minutes.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
or Carnage who is like 1,000,000x more dangerous than Creed.
He has been able to have Spiderman in what should be compromising positions but he's just way too dumb to capitalize on them. It's the ONLY reason Parker survives those fights.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
And oh, all of them save Morlun and the Goblins have claws that rip through steel... Spidey's been scratched before.
The symbiotes are > Spiderman so that's not helping your case.
And Scorpion and Lizard are < Sabretooth.....
Look I know you wanted to make a nice little list of horrifying threats Peter has been able to deal with in the past that stack up to Creed, but honestly you did a piss poor job of doing that here.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008Once again talking out your ass... Sabretooth broke into an stole encrypted files from theWeapon X department, he constantly finds weak points in his opponents to exploit and does a great job of it. He plays mindgames with everyone who's ever near and has a knack for picking up on doublecrossing before those situations can even play out... I already told you to go find his respect thread but I see embarassing yourself in this thread seemed like it was a better idea for you....? Yikes.
Creed: I'm gonna squash you you bug!
Spidey: ('o'😉 Oh no! A less powerful, less interesting version of all my other superstrong psychopaths! And get this! he's not even smart! At least The Lizard's alter ego is a genious! (well... except Scorpion, he's a dum@$$).
How about an equally powerful, more skilled, more experienced, faster healing version of his other superstrong psychopaths.
Seriously, you're going to sit here and play ABC games with me when we have Tooth taking down people like Rogue, Wendigo, Holocaust?
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Riiiiiiight.
My point is Spidey takes on strong foes all the time. Scorpion is stronger and a little faster than Spidey, making him dangerous, but he's an idiot. Lizard is as ferocious as it gets. He's underrated as he is often quite mindless in his actions. The Lizard is a powerful melee fighter. I'm pretty sure Spidey has KO'd him before. He's KO'd Venom before. You don't know the Goblins if that is what you think. They prefer to attack from a distance, but don't mind fist fights. And they are mostly smarter than Creed and at least as equally manipulative.
LOL, ok, Lizard and Scorpion < Creed? LOL ok pal. though both are stronger and faster than him. Creed being 50 class is a pipe dream or PIS. I don't dislike Creed actually, I just think Logan and Creed nut riding. I would never say Spidey can take on the universe (unless he's capt. Universe) but Logan has been taken out or overwhelmed by ppl weaker than Spidey.
I can't believe the power and speed difference is in question. Then there are reflexes and equilibrium. Based on stats alone Spidey comes out on top.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
My point is Spidey takes on strong foes all the time.
Not foes with the same level of skills and skill set as sabre-tooth which is what you seem unable to crasp. and sabre-tooth has tooled on spidy before.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
Scorpion is stronger and a little faster than Spidey, making him dangerous, but he's an idiot.
actaully it completely depends on what incarnation some werent even as strong. Not a single one was faster then spiderman. so I have no idea were you got that nonsense.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
Lizard is as ferocious as it gets. He's underrated as he is often quite mindless in his actions. The Lizard is a powerful melee fighter. I'm pretty sure Spidey has KO'd him before.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
He's KO'd Venom before.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
You don't know the Goblins if that is what you think. They prefer to attack from a distance, but don't mind fist fights. And they are mostly smarter than Creed and at least as equally manipulative.
he smatter but crazier, and he allows his crazyness to effect his judgement and e vastly less tactical skilled melee fighter.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
LOL, ok, Lizard and Scorpion < Creed?
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
LOL ok pal. though both are stronger and faster than him.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
Creed being 50 class is a pipe dream or PIS.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
I don't dislike Creed actually, I just think Logan and Creed nut riding. I would never say Spidey can take on the universe (unless he's capt. Universe) but Logan has been taken out or overwhelmed by ppl weaker than Spidey.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
I can't believe the power and speed difference is in question. Then there are reflexes and equilibrium. Based on stats alone Spidey comes out on top.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
Ok pal, I don't read comics like the bible, but I do read comics. Like I said b4, PIS allows for a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense. Niether creed nor logan are class ten.
and yes sabre-tooth is class 10 plus. He has been pretty much sinces his character development maybe you should try picking up a comic and reading it for a change instead of talking out your ass all the time.
funny how you call pis on characters you clearly have never read a single comic on them and dont even know the most basic of information on them.
reading your posts in this thread hurt the eyes with ignorant comment after ignorant comment comming from your self and whats worse with this superior then though attitude dispite the fact almost everything you have said is almost 100% wrong.
Ok, first off this is a battle between Logan and Peter. Not Creed. Secondly I don't follow Creed much so sorry for the ignorance. I haven't read where he gets class 10 strength an think that's really g@y for a character like him who already had enough to capitalize on as a character. Regardless, in my opinion that's some PIS just to make Logan look cool. Spidey from time to time has taken down Venom with out a scenario, I'm talking one on one battle. Rare, but it happens. Logan is no where near class 10. Bam-Bam
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And Carnage can't? Much easier no less? Sabes is tough but Spiderman isn't going to be "running for the hills". Ridiculous.
Spider-Man has never faced such a creature from hell before !
Originally posted by Kid KurdyLol, nope, nobody has ever wanted to wipe Spiderman out.
But... but... it's Sabretooth ! He has claws ! He likes to kill ! He even will try to actually kill Spider-Man, yeah it's crazy I know but still !!!Spider-Man has never faced such a creature from hell before !
Originally posted by Kid KurdyLol, in the Hulk forum.
Facing somebody is a feat these days ? I can face Hulk also, no problem. Where is he ?
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
My point is Spidey takes on strong foes all the time. Scorpion is stronger and a little faster than Spidey, making him dangerous, but he's an idiot. Lizard is as ferocious as it gets. He's underrated as he is often quite mindless in his actions. The Lizard is a powerful melee fighter. I'm pretty sure Spidey has KO'd him before. He's KO'd Venom before. You don't know the Goblins if that is what you think. They prefer to attack from a distance, but don't mind fist fights. And they are mostly smarter than Creed and at least as equally manipulative.LOL, ok, Lizard and Scorpion < Creed? LOL ok pal. though both are stronger and faster than him. Creed being 50 class is a pipe dream or PIS. I don't dislike Creed actually, I just think Logan and Creed nut riding. I would never say Spidey can take on the universe (unless he's capt. Universe) but Logan has been taken out or overwhelmed by ppl weaker than Spidey.
I can't believe the power and speed difference is in question. Then there are reflexes and equilibrium. Based on stats alone Spidey comes out on top.
And your point is skewed because you're using characters that either curbstomp spidey on a regular basis which doesn't help your case, or you're using characters that would be utterly no match for Sabretooth anyways which doesn't help your case.
Lizard has been on the recieving end of beatings from Vermin and Black Cat... 😐
Vermin got pwned by Wolverine.
Sabretooth gave Black Cat more of a fight when she HAD powers and he didn't.
And as stated before Wolverine completely outclassed Lizard when they met up, he made Lizard look like a complete chump.
You citing an example of Venom being knocked out by Spiderman is utter nonsense. For every time Spiderman has asserted an advantage in h2h against Venom, Venom's had him dead to rights over half a dozen times. You're pulling on PIS to help an already failed argument.
The Goblins? OF COURSE they fight from a distance... That's why they're so irrelivent here. They use projectiles as they're main basis of attack; projectiles that Spiderman is easily able to dodge because that's what he does. They are not NEARLY as effective offensively against someone of Spidey's durability as Creed is, they are not nearly as skilled as Creed is, and yknow what... the only time we ever saw someone with Creed's skillset and Goblin powers, Spiderman got the crap beat out of him.
Yes, Sabretooth > Scorpion and Lizard. Lizard's tough, but tenacity is all he has going for him, even his genious alter ego doesn't exactly help him in fights. Scorpion's a loser through and through, the best feat he ever had was giving it to Luke Cage and IF at the same time some years ago with one of his more advanced suits. But the guy's typically as bad as if not worse than Rhino, even now with the Venom suit... Again, not really sure how you bringing him into this argument is a plus for Spidey. 😬
Spiderman may have been much stronger than Creed before OMD but I'm not thinking that's the case anymore. He has NO speed advantage against Creed... Seriously.. Wolverine makes Spiderman sweat due to his speed and Creed's on panel stated legitimately faster than that.
At this point I COULD argue that Spiderman has been beaten or put in horrible situations by Wolverine who is ALSO < Creed.
I COULD argue to a point of ABC Logic and talk about how Creed solo'd a Wendigo, Sinisters supermen, Killpower, Rogue, and the River Dogs of Flesh.
I COULD argue about how Spiderman has ALWAYS had a consistent problem dealing with skilled fighters in h2h combat ranging in the realm of nearly/more than 100 different examples. And how Creed has the stats of a Spiderman villain with the skills to back it up.
But all of this would be unecessary because at the end of the day we've seen Creed 3 ugrades or more ago be more than a match for Spiderman while Spidey had a team-up. And Creed only got stronger since then while Spiderman.... well... didn't thanks to OMD.
You can keep citing examples of OTHER badguys, but we've already seen how he fairs against Creed so all your arguments are pretty ignorable.