Originally posted by Spiderninja008seriously? you think wolverine always had adamantium? you must think spidey always had powers.. maybe wall crawling as a toddler 😱
.....wow....u guys nutride real hard. One person says He can't be killed (not true) the next says he was decapitated. Get your facts in order.
PIS FAIL. Wolverine Can die, but like early Superman they keep taking his powers further and further. I think maybe in his next issue he battles Jesus and Satan in a two on one , forget it, The universe vs Logan. Of course you guys would think Logan wins.
I love Spidey, but I'd never say he can take on Namor hand to hand and win. Not without a sufficiant environment to utilize. Spidey on his best day couldn't dominate Thing or Namor. Maybe Ironman as Ironman is still human.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
PIS FAIL. Wolverine Can die, but like early Superman they keep taking his powers further and further. I think maybe in his next issue he battles Jesus and Satan in a two on one , forget it, The universe vs Logan. Of course you guys would think Logan wins.I love Spidey, but I'd never say he can take on Namor hand to hand and win. Not without a sufficiant environment to utilize. Spidey on his best day couldn't dominate Thing or Namor. Maybe Ironman as Ironman is still human.
We do know for sure that Parker can't kill him.
"Ironman is still human"... read some comics, dude facepalm
Originally posted by Spiderninja008spidey will tire out long before logan brains get mushed.. seriously it took WWH to do it and you think spidey will succeed? especially when he tried b4 and failed? his hands have the potential of getting hurt using about 3 to 5% WWH's strength now that is me being generous toward the spiders strength compared to uber hulk
My bad, I was so into fighting the adamantium argument that I slipped.Regardless, my theory still stands. Spidey smashes Logan's head so many times his brains get mushy. Spidey is strong enough for that. Bambam Endgame.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
My bad, I was so into fighting the adamantium argument that I slipped.Regardless, my theory still stands. Spidey smashes Logan's head so many times his brains get mushy. Spidey is strong enough for that. Bambam Endgame.
Like he did in High Tide? He's not gonna overload his healing factor.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
Once you find a way to disrupt the armor, Ironman in his regular suit may have some trouble. I don't think that's PIS. Namor pulled off Tony's mask with ease. Peter was facing the end of his Aunt's life. That stress could amp his strength, that's not uncommon for Peter.
Well, too bad by default rules Parker doesn't have prep, so he'd lose in a forum battle.
Namor is Class 100.
Amp him to Class 100...?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well, too bad by default rules Parker doesn't have prep, so he'd lose in a forum battle.Namor is Class 100.
Amp him to Class 100...?
Namor did it with ease, Peter struggled. Amp Pete to class 100? Not necessarily, but he gets up there, (momentarily) Just as Logan does some crazy feats outside his range when the going gets tough.
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
PIS FAIL. Wolverine Can die, but like early Superman they keep taking his powers further and further. I think maybe in his next issue he battles Jesus and Satan in a two on one , forget it, The universe vs Logan. Of course you guys would think Logan wins.I love Spidey, but I'd never say he can take on Namor hand to hand and win. Not without a sufficiant environment to utilize. Spidey on his best day couldn't dominate Thing or Namor. Maybe Ironman as Ironman is still human.
Dude... do you EVER get done talking out your ass?
We've already had several Wolverine stories in canon and out going into full detail about how Wolverine can't die until he either gets WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY ****in old, and EVEN THEN he's still kickin.
Or by outside factors supernatural in nature deciding to like Geia.
Wolverine's been burned to skeleton multiple times, had his heart exploded, stabbed, ripped out of his body several times over, had his throat cut and was tossed into a river for an hour etc etc... he ain't dyin anytime soon. 😐
Originally posted by Spiderninja008
You missed the part that Spidey's way faster and has better reflexes and equilibrium than Logan. Oh, and did I mention that he's stronger? Oh, and did I mention that his SS give him a supernatural fighting ability (but Logan fanboys like to ignore that and attach any PIS story that negates that.)
PIS stories? Ignore? You mean like you making up that Spiderman breaking Logan's neck is a viable tactic? As well as knocking him out? Or do you mean like you ignoring that Wolverine can't die by conventional or unconventional means?
Spiderman having a "supernatural fighting ability"? LOL That's rich.
He's not WAY faster than Wolverine, we have side by sides, random feats, and his own statements that support this.
Likewise his "equilibrium" doesn't appear much better than any other street level. It certainly isn't some base advantage that gives him the fight here.
He has strength and SS that's it. It's not enough to win.
Yeah, how, like in one comic Spidey takes on master level martial artists like it's nothing, then he gets next to DareDevil and all of the sudden loses his fighting ability. His equilibrium is far greater than any street level... that's like basic Spidey knowledge. It hasn't helped him because it's one of those factored abilities somtimes forgotten by writers. On the real, the way Spidey was created and the way he's been written vary. How does one with the strength to throw cars, the reflexes 40 times that of ordinary people, agility beyond the peak human, superior equilibrium with his body mechanics, and the speed to move 100+mph on foot take down elite martial artists in one panel, have a hard time with street thugs in another panel, and then take on the fantastic 4? Or how does he survive bouts with the Hulk, and then get beat by DareDevil? Who is peak human? I can't count how manytimes as a kid I would read Spidey comics and think... he should be able to handle that better... and like the next comic, or very next page, "BooM!" he does what he's supposed to do. Inconsistancy due to focusing on PIS and character development.
Spidey rarely gets a cheap upgrade or imbalanced PIS that favors him, probably because his character stresses self control and personal responsibility. Just because you can punch a hole through most your enemies like styrofoam, doesn't mean you should...
I didn't want to get involved. I've said my piece on this fight many times, and I tend to stay away from acknowledging posters who who happen to have the same screen name as the character they are arguing in favor of....
But Spider-man rarely has PIS favour him? Seriously? 9/10 of the enemies in his rogue gallery are characters he can't and hasn't beaten with out the timely intervention of a plot device. Spider-man befits from the inclusion of random dues ex machina wins more than virtually every other character in comicdom. How many characters have been beating the tar out Spider-man only fall victim to a continently place power generator? Seriously, get your act together.
9/10 of his enemies is too much, Srank. That's true about the symbiotes and villains that are impossible to put down without plot device (Sandman, hydroman etc that's when he uses prep) but that's far from 9/10. Scorpion, Vulture, Lizard, Rhino, Ock, Goblins etc etc he often beats the crap out with just his bare hands.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
But Spider-man rarely has PIS favour him? Seriously? 9/10 of the enemies in his rogue gallery are characters he can't and hasn't beaten with out the timely intervention of a plot device. Spider-man befits from the inclusion of random dues ex machina wins more than virtually every other character in comicdom. How many characters have been beating the tar out Spider-man only fall victim to a continently place power generator? Seriously, get your act together.
Originally posted by srankmissingninUm that's not PIS, that's a plot device, plot devices get the story moving. If Spiderman thinks on his feet and wins by using the environment, that's using his brains. If a character fights like a tard or has a huge power seep ( like Wolverine vs Namor) for no reason at all, that's PIS. Not to mention the HF is a big fluctuating plot device.
I didn't want to get involved. I've said my piece on this fight many times, and I tend to stay away from acknowledging posters who who happen to have the same screen name as the character they are arguing in favor of....But Spider-man rarely has PIS favour him? Seriously? 9/10 of the enemies in his rogue gallery are characters he can't and hasn't beaten with out the timely intervention of a plot device. Spider-man befits from the inclusion of random dues ex machina wins more than virtually every other character in comicdom. How many characters have been beating the tar out Spider-man only fall victim to a continently place power generator? Seriously, get your act together.