Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
When you cant prove something either way it is called a non-factor
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
When you cant prove something either way it is called a non-factor
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Except for hitsugaya has repeatedly been found to fluctuate between useless and almost uselessAs well as displaying power vastly below what his station should indicate
How so? You mean when he pwned Grimmjow's Top Fraccion easily once he was at full strength? Then went on to incapacitate Luppi with one attack? Or the time he incapacitated Harribel with one attack as well? That's fluctuating from useful to terribly useful 😐
Oh wait, he lost to Aizen, and had trouble with Gin. Yeah, he was up against someone who has the most broken ability in Bleach, and he was using shikai against Gin who IMO hasn't even shown us half of what he can really do.
He's a mid-tier captain, not low-tier. I'll agree that his base stats don't seem that impressive (as he's young), but when you factor in his (incomplete) bankai and the shit he pulls off with it, he's a lot stronger than you give him credit for.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
I thought the Senior Captains (Yama, Unohana, Shunsui and Ukitake) were absolutely the Top 4? After them it gets a bit harder to judge though.
Not really.
Old Man Yama's a given.
Jushiro is saddled with low stamina. At his peak, I'd say he's as strong as Shunsui.
Stats-wise, Aizen is at least as strong as Shunsui is, while his shikai ability puts him above Shunsui.
We don't know just how strong Unohana is, but I think that she could heal herself easily in battle, and apparently only Yama has been a captain for longer than she has.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Hitsugaya just plain beat Harribel. It's just her luck that the attack was interrupted before the 100 petals had fallen, otherwise guess what, she would have been dead.
The petals had all stopped falling and he had even put the bankai away, and there sure were enough to be a hundred- I think Hitsugaya just overestimated the deadliness of the move vs someone so tough.
Still, *trapping* her by itself was really impressive.
Originally posted by Q99
The petals had all stopped falling and he had even put the bankai away, and there sure were enough to be a hundred- I think Hitsugaya just overestimated the deadliness of the move vs someone so tough.Still, *trapping* her by itself was really impressive.
Originally posted by King Kandy
There is nothing indicating all 100 had fallen yet, since if she wasn't dead, obviously the fight wasn't over yet.
Sure there was. There was visibly none falling and he had turned off his bankai, the thing that made them fall in the first place.
Just because he thought all 100 falling would kill her doesn't mean he was right. People misjudging attacks often, it doesn't mean it wasn't over.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
How so? You mean when he pwned Grimmjow's Top Fraccion easily once he was at full strength? Then went on to incapacitate Luppi with one attack? Or the time he incapacitated Harribel with one attack as well? That's fluctuating from useful to terribly useful 😐Oh wait, he lost to Aizen, and had trouble with Gin. Yeah, he was up against someone who has the most broken ability in Bleach, and he was using shikai against Gin who IMO hasn't even shown us half of what he can really do.
He's a mid-tier captain, not low-tier. I'll agree that his base stats don't seem that impressive (as he's young), but when you factor in his (incomplete) bankai and the shit he pulls off with it, he's a lot stronger than you give him credit for.
And despite "incapacitating" Hali are a drawn out mockery of a fight the attack was easily broken.
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
He had to use bankai against a fraccion first of all
He was under the limit when he used his Bankai.
Notice how easily he ended the fight after the limit was lifted?
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
He got his ass raped by luppi. He had to use his vice captain and others as a distraction while he charged up a otherwise unusable attack. The ease with which an unreleased gj dealt with luppi should be a testament to his strength vs the strength of hitsu
Got his ass raped? How? By getting knocked down? Seemed pretty fine after he reappeared.
If you think getting knocked-down counts as getting ass-raped, then Shunsui got his ass raped by Starrk's Cero.
Yeah, he needed time for that attack, as he had no other option for dealing with Luppi quickly. Had the other Shinigami not been on the field, he would have just used the Hyouten Hyakkasou to ass rape Luppi.
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
And despite "incapacitating" Hali are a drawn out mockery of a fight the attack was easily broken.
By Wonderweiss, not Harribel herself. Otherwise, Harribel would have broken out a lot sooner.
The burden of proof is upon you to prove that Harribel broke out of the structure by herself, despite the chapter pointing to WW breaking her out.
Originally posted by Q99
Sure there was. There was visibly none falling and he had turned off his bankai, the thing that made them fall in the first place.Just because he thought all 100 falling would kill her doesn't mean he was right. People misjudging attacks often, it doesn't mean it wasn't over.
Even if that attack did not kill her (a testament to her strength level, since he states that it would kill her), he had already beaten her.
There was a fairly long period of time between her incapacitation and WW's scream.
As for misjudging attacks, not really. I can understand misjudging the strength of another person's attack, but your own?
Hitsugaya would have to be an idiot to misjudge the strength of an attack he knows well, and he isn't an idiot.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Even if that attack did not kill her (a testament to her strength level, since he states that it would kill her), he had already beaten her.
There was a fairly long period of time between her incapacitation and WW's scream.
Yea, she was fairly solidly trapped.
It's a pretty good ability: Even if it doesn't kill the target almost no enemies could actually escape from it.
As for misjudging attacks, not really. I can understand misjudging the strength of another person's attack, but your own?
Hitsugaya would have to be an idiot to misjudge the strength of an attack he knows well, and he isn't an idiot.
Not the strength of the attack itself which he knew, but misjudging the effect due to the toughness of the target which he didn't.
Remember how Tousen and Komomura thought their combined shikai would take out Kenpachi for another example (and a much bigger misjudging!).
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, she was fairly solidly trapped.It's a pretty good ability: Even if it doesn't kill the target almost no enemies could actually escape from it.
Indeed. The only way to actually escape the attack is to have someone break it from the outside, or to avoid the snow, which would be pretty hard if Toshiro increases the range of the snow-fall.
One would probably have to be as strong as Shunsui or Aizen to break out from inside I think. Then again, they could likely just avoid the attack altogether.
Originally posted by Q99
Not the strength of the attack itself which he knew, but misjudging the effect due to the toughness of the target which he didn't.Remember how Tousen and Komomura thought their combined shikai would take out Kenpachi for another example (and a much bigger misjudging!).
Yeah, I understand. My bad.
Originally posted by King Kandy
From what is seen, Toshiro should be way higher on that list, he took out the #3 espada one on one while what has Sajin done that merits a higher placement?
From what I have seen, Harribel did nothing to warrent a #3 rating other than survive an attack that she was already "aligned" to with her Nature (she was also a water type, too. lol...naruto.)
Over all, Sajin seems more useful in a fight.
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Prove what?Hitsugaya did nothing? or that aizen killed her?
Hitsugaya "Lol I pwn you" attack doing nothing
Aizen kiliing her
Toshiro cant beat shit. Not even his own dick, by way or not having hit puberty
😆
Where the **** have you been?
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
sajin would be good if not for that whole "lolitakewhateverdamagemybankaitakes" stuff. that makes his abilities so0o00o gay.
BOOM HEADSHOT!
Originally posted by dadudemon
From what I have seen, Harribel did nothing to warrent a #3 rating other than survive an attack that she was already "aligned" to with her Nature (she was also a water type, too. lol...naruto.)
And you know, being strong enough to demolish Las Noches with her release; summoning large torrents of water and using them to crush shit.