Kingdom Come Captain Marvel vs WW3 Black Adam

Which one wins?

Well, KC CM wasn't alluded to being any more powerful than his normal self, to say nothing of the fact there's no logical reasoning for him to be stronger anyway.

I'd say WW3 Black Adam.

I personally don't think WW3 Adam was stronger either(the only top tier he really fought during the whole thing was MM), but what he *was*, was not holding back in the slightest while trying to maximize damage.

I vote Black Adam, he was pushing himself to the max and fighting smart.

Black Adam

Sentinel is definitely top tier, and he got punked by Adam during WW3, plus several times pre WW3.

Not to mention WW3 Adam beat down Captain Marvel, so it's not just MM.

WW3 Adam was no stronger than Regular Adam. Some say that "Adam didnt hold back....", but at times he did, and at times he didnt. It was selective. Adam has owned Alan in occasions even before WW3.

KC Marvel on the otherhand was/is stronger than current regular Marvel. KC Supes is stronger, faster, more durable, as well being more resistant to k-nite and Marvel was still right there with him in terms of stats.

KC Marvel ftw.

Actually, according to the KC novel, Capt Marvel wasnt really doing any damage to Superman until the Lightning came, just knocking him off his feet (aka keeping him busy, and being a hinderance from containing the larger battle). As mentioned, it makes no sense for KC Marvel to be any stronger than normal CM, as he gets his powers from the same Gods either way.

Originally posted by Q99
I personally don't think WW3 Adam was stronger either(the only top tier he really fought during the whole thing was MM), but what he *was*, was not holding back in the slightest while trying to maximize damage.

I vote Black Adam, he was pushing himself to the max and fighting smart.

Hmmmm, I was wondering where you had gotten off to. 😛

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, KC CM wasn't alluded to being any more powerful than his normal self, to say nothing of the fact there's no logical reasoning for him to be stronger anyway.

I'd say WW3 Black Adam.

Originally posted by Philosophía
KC Captain Marvel's 'normal self' was shown to be on the same level with KC Superman, who was demonstrably superior to mainstream Superman. Thus, it stands to logic that KC Captain Marvel is more powerful than his mainstream version and as a consequence would most likely put a beatdown on Black Adam.

So in the KC universe, Captain Marvel would have been more powerful than Superman before he got aged to begin with? It was stated in the story that Superman was progressively more powerful than he was years ago due to his age and his constant exposure to yellow sun. Marvel, on the other hand, has nothing to argue becoming more powerful than he was before he "retired".

Perhaps yes. Perhaps not. Point is, equating KC Captain Marvel with the mainstream one, especially when the former has been shown to be on the same level with that Universe's version of Superman, who demonstrated superiority to somebody mainstream Captain Marvel can at best be an equal to (current Superman), is faulty. Different universe, different version.

Originally posted by Philosophía
KC Captain Marvel's 'normal self' was shown to be on the same level with KC Superman, who was demonstrably superior to mainstream Superman. Thus, it stands to logic that KC Captain Marvel is more powerful than his mainstream version and as a consequence would most likely put a beatdown on Black Adam.

There's no reason to assume he got any stronger in that time, unlike Superman who's powers increased with solar absorption over time.

It was stated he was "the only soldier who could match Superman move for move" but that's just a statement. What we actually saw was that a bloodlusted/brainwashed CM with a magic advantage couldn't bring down Superman even when the latter wasn't really fighting him to the best of his ability.

Under the same circumstances a bloodlusted mainstream Billy would do about the same as his KC counterpart against KC Superman: get some good licks in but ultimately lose.

nah, a blood lusted mainstream cap would beat the crap out of superman

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
nah, a blood lusted mainstream cap would beat the crap out of superman

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not KC Superman. Reread my post. For that matter nor would he "beat the crap out of" mainstream Superman. He'd win but its not like it would be a one-sided stomp.

I think Cap can beat supes fairly easy. They are equal in speed/strength/durability but still, he got magic amped punches 😛

Originally posted by amnesia
I think Cap can beat supes fairly easy. They are equal in speed/strength/durability but still, he got magic amped punches 😛

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Comic showings disagree with you.

That's why we have VS. Forums.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm not sure the extent to which him being KC Superman's equal can be proven one way or the other.

To say that them being on the same level can't be proven one way or another deems either a lack of story comprehension, or just flat-out grasping at straws.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
There's no reason to assume he got any stronger in that time, unlike Superman who's powers increased with solar absorption over time.

You're doing the same mistake Jake is doing, this isn't the same version as the mainstream one. They don't necesarilly have to be at the same level when they were younger/older or overall. The only way we can define that version of Captain Marvel's powerlevel is the way he was portrayed in comparison to KC Superman, and they were peers, as demonstrated. In turn, that version of Superman was demonstrably superior to the mainstream one who, like I said, mainstream Captain Marvel can at best be called an equal to.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Under the same circumstances a bloodlusted mainstream Billy would do about the same as his KC counterpart against KC Superman: get some good licks in but ultimately lose.

Originally posted by PhilosophÃ_a
Different universe, different version.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Captain Marvel was explicitly stated to be the one warrior who can counter KC Superman move-for-move, the Anti-Superman, and was demonstrated as such against the encounter when he stopped Clark from intervening to help the others. In fact, physically Clark was at no point shown to be more than an equal, Billy being the one who delivered the last punch before Clark starting using the HV and Billy the Shazam lightning bolts. Not to mention the recent JSA arc where KC Superman calls Billy the mightiest among them.

To say that them being on the same level can't be proven one way or another deems either a lack of story comprehension, or just flat-out grasping at straws.

There's no reason to assume anything. If he was always as powerful as he had been portrayed against KC Superman in the final battle is inconsequential.

You're doing the same mistake Jake is doing, this isn't the same version as the mainstream one. They don't necesarilly have to be at the same level when they were younger/older or overall. The only way we can define that version of Captain Marvel's powerlevel is the way he was portrayed in comparison to KC Superman, and they were peers, as demonstrated. In turn, that version of Superman was demonstrably superior to the mainstream one who, like I said, mainstream Captain Marvel can at best be called an equal to.

And this is quite the idiotic statement to make, for reason stated above. If this doesn't sink in:

There's not much more that can be done.

Upper right corner.

What do you see?