i know canary can win more often then not in a forum fight b/c of her scream if it is powerful enough.. i really would like to see a recent scan of her scream b/c my entire knowledge of her is 80's 90's and early 2000's and i gotta say her CIS and her feats fighting skills never impressed me.. so if someone can enlighten me with some scans it would be greatly appreciated.
Doesn't any have some respect scans from Gail Simone's BoP run?
I can get issue numbers at the least: Van thing was BoP 76. Attack on the prison was BoP 67.
Also Batgirl 67 had Black Canary use her Cry from a plane to cause a rockslide and close off a road, so that's a couple hundred feet range minimum (probably more, they didn't get too low).
As for her fighting skills, they have gone up in recent years, though they've always been pretty good. After a loss to two skilled fighters, she started hitting the training hard, sparring with the best fighters in her circle of friends at every opportunity (A wide variety, Connor Hawke, Mr. Terrific, etc., but 'specially Cassandra, hence her owing her enough to get on the outside of a plane to do the aforementioned scream). Her technique was very good to begin with but that helped polish it and teach her some subtle tricks when it came to fight mentality. Her improvement impressed Shiva enough to then take her on as a pupil and put her on some hard training. And so on.
So yea, if you're working off 90s/early 00s stuff you've got old info on her fighting skills.
Canary wasn't quite the beast she is now until she started doing Shiva's mail-order training and then when she spent however much time (a year, was it?) living in Asia under Shiva's own childhood sensei.
Green Arrow was frightened at Dinah's rapid advancements when they met up to sabotage the mob, their first encounter since the break-up. This was before her training in Asia. Once there, she soloed an armed force that had tanks and combat operatives stocked to the teeth. She nearly defeated Deathstroke, going so far as to blinding him completely, but his jobber aura had him seem god-like the entire issue.
She's come a long way from being the B-list bimbo she used to be.
Edit: I could revamp her respect thread with the entire Birds of Prey run in my computer at the moment... but that sounds like a lot of work. ;p
Dinah's only chance at knocking down Wolverine is with her Canary cry. Other than that, if Logan gets anywhere near her she's history.
Off the top of my head Black Canary has defeated Giganta with her cry, blew Amazos head off, broke John Stewarts constructs etc. She has more than enough power to take the majority from Logan.
I agree with the above statment - her fighting skills may be good but are they anywhere near Wolverine's? He too has had upgrades - he recently turned a high-level, chi-amping Brick into rubble with a Karniak-like nerve strike! Plus, if he uses his claws, he is more than capable of taking out fighters even more skilled than he is. See the recent psylocke fight and his fights with Ogun.
So yeah, in close he's too much - at a distance she takes it.
Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
I agree with the above statment - her fighting skills may be good but are they anywhere near Wolverine's? He too has had upgrades - he recently turned a high-level, chi-amping Brick into rubble with a Karniak-like nerve strike! Plus, if he uses his claws, he is more than capable of taking out fighters even more skilled than he is. See the recent psylocke fight and his fights with Ogun.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
In terms of pure skill (if you were to strip Wolvy of his superhuman stats) I'd say Dinah is >= to Logan.
Is she ubber tier? Wolverine can take out ubbers by virtue of his superior speed/strength durability, HF, claws, B-rage, etc.
He's beaten Cap with pure skill so I dunno...I really know nothing about her but I am interested in seeing her skill feat scans if you have any.
