Transformers versus Terminators....

Originally posted by KingD19
Seriously? A race of being millions, maybe billions of years old, who are essentially mechanical life-forms, with their own soul/spark are inferior to Skynet? Soundwave was monitoring every computer on Earth, Optimus and the Autobots downloaded every Earth language from the internet as soon as they touched down, etc

1. Let's go with tens of thousands years, at the most. We don't have evidence for anything above and beyond that.
2. Oh man, AI?? Wow, Skynet IS AI and there are literally thousands of AI lifeforms in Skynet with that ability to replicate biological tissues: something that the cybertronians did not show the ability to do.
3. Soundwave was clearly NOT monitoring every computer on the Earth. He specifically had to dial into certain things and route other data.
4. So the Skynet computers don't have all of the human languages, too? Oh, right, they do. On top of that, they send agents back in time and they speak the languages they want, perfectly, and not out of the ordinary, to. Also, you do not have any evidence that they pulled in tons of the humans' flying data to figure out the human language. If anything, they only downloaded just enough to learn English over the course of a few hours. Any conclusion above and beyond that is baseless speculation.

Originally posted by KingD19
..... Skynet is nowhere near Transformers technology wise, software wise, or even hardware wise. Transormers can even eat raw metal and other materials to make their own ammo.

You're factually wrong. They are superior in almost every way. Everything you stated as justifications falls into these categories: false, misrepresented, or exaggeration.

Skynet took over all of the Earth's "touchable" computers. Something the transfers could not and did not do: superior processing power and intelligence from Skynet over the cybertronians. Skynet can replicate biological tissues perfectly: something the cybertronians can't do. Skynet figured out how to time travel: something the cybertronians can't do. Creating an AI out of a polymimetic alloy that is virtually indestructible: something the cybertronians can't do.

So, here we go:

Skynet has superior processing power.
Skynet has superior intelligence and AI.
Skynet has superior chemistry based technologies.
Skynet has superior quantum/astrophysics science.

What's left? 😬

Nah an alien race of sentient machines are more advanced than Skynet.

And way older. They are millions of years old. Not thousands.
Evidence for this in Bay universe: They were already here a few thousand years ago from a planet that had been at war for thousands of years, and the planet and inhabitants would have required millions of years for evolution already by that point.

And based on the '86 movie, continuity, they arrived here 4 million years ago.

TFs ageness cannot be downplayed here.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Nah an alien race of sentient machines are more advanced than Skynet.

Well both the entire transformer race and and the main skynet CPU are now sentient, but yep the TFs are clearly more advanced on every single level.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Then TX solos. Quite easily too.

In an all-out war; SkyNet>>>>Transformers shown onscreen. But Bumblebee could really solo the Terminators here.

Originally posted by dadudemon
1. Let's go with tens of thousands years, at the most. We don't have evidence for anything above and beyond that.
2. Oh man, AI?? Wow, Skynet IS AI and there are literally thousands of AI lifeforms in Skynet with that ability to replicate biological tissues: something that the cybertronians did not show the ability to do.
3. Soundwave was clearly NOT monitoring every computer on the Earth. He specifically had to dial into certain things and route other data.
4. So the Skynet computers don't have all of the human languages, too? Oh, right, they do. On top of that, they send agents back in time and they speak the languages they want, perfectly, and not out of the ordinary, to. Also, you do not have any evidence that they pulled in tons of the humans' flying data to figure out the human language. If anything, they only downloaded just enough to learn English over the course of a few hours. Any conclusion above and beyond that is baseless speculation.

You're factually wrong. They are superior in almost every way. Everything you stated as justifications falls into these categories: false, misrepresented, or exaggeration.

Skynet took over all of the Earth's "touchable" computers. Something the transfers could not and did not do: superior processing power and intelligence from Skynet over the cybertronians. Skynet can replicate biological tissues perfectly: something the cybertronians can't do. Skynet figured out how to time travel: something the cybertronians can't do. Creating an AI out of a polymimetic alloy that is virtually indestructible: something the cybertronians can't do.

So, here we go:

Skynet has superior processing power.
Skynet has superior intelligence and AI.
Skynet has superior chemistry based technologies.
Skynet has superior quantum/astrophysics science.

What's left? 😬

Sorry Dude but you forgot to account for several things there on the TF side....Their command of matter is way superior to skynet... look at the the way they can restructure themselves at the same level with their scan/flash/imitate abilities.

And Ravages nanoswarm of botlets that combined several bots thick to be form that razorbeast that was a hair in width.

And they can also form Rubber (Tires) Glass (Windshields) explosives for things like missiles and all kinds of shit.

Cybertronian tissues were seen on the Pretender, and surrounding the hatchlings in ROTF.

So Skynet had the benefit of Earth's human knowledge on cloning to go from... And the Cybertronians still managed without that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
1. Let's go with tens of thousands years, at the most. We don't have evidence for anything above and beyond that.
2. Oh man, AI?? Wow, Skynet IS AI and there are literally thousands of AI lifeforms in Skynet with that ability to replicate biological tissues: something that the cybertronians did not show the ability to do.
3. Soundwave was clearly NOT monitoring every computer on the Earth. He specifically had to dial into certain things and route other data.
4. So the Skynet computers don't have all of the human languages, too? Oh, right, they do. On top of that, they send agents back in time and they speak the languages they want, perfectly, and not out of the ordinary, to. Also, you do not have any evidence that they pulled in tons of the humans' flying data to figure out the human language. If anything, they only downloaded just enough to learn English over the course of a few hours. Any conclusion above and beyond that is baseless speculation.

You're factually wrong. They are superior in almost every way. Everything you stated as justifications falls into these categories: false, misrepresented, or exaggeration.

Skynet took over all of the Earth's "touchable" computers. Something the transfers could not and did not do: superior processing power and intelligence from Skynet over the cybertronians. Skynet can replicate biological tissues perfectly: something the cybertronians can't do. Skynet figured out how to time travel: something the cybertronians can't do. Creating an AI out of a polymimetic alloy that is virtually indestructible: something the cybertronians can't do.

So, here we go:

Skynet has superior processing power.
Skynet has superior intelligence and AI.
Skynet has superior chemistry based technologies.
Skynet has superior quantum/astrophysics science.

What's left? 😬

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sorry Dude but you forgot to account for several things there on the TF side....Their command of matter is way superior to skynet... look at the the way they can restructure themselves at the same level with their scan/flash/imitate abilities.

That's not anywhere close to being a Polymimetic Alloy, though. They are

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And Ravages nanoswarm of botlets that combined several bots thick to be form that razorbeast that was a hair in width.

TX had even smaller robots (millions of times smaller).

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And they can also form Rubber (Tires) Glass (Windshields) explosives for things like missiles and all kinds of shit.

I don't see how that even holds a candle to Polymimetic Alloy. Impressive by our technological standards, for sure, though.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Cybertronian tissues were seen on the Pretender, and surrounding the hatchlings in ROTF.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
So Skynet had the benefit of Earth's human knowledge on cloning to go from... And the Cybertronians still managed without that.

Skynet, in less than 2 decades, advanced every facet of their technology to be superior to the Cybertronians (cept for a select few that I can't remember, at the moment), and the Cybertronians literally have not advanced in over 10,000 years.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Magical spells.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

I uh...yeah.

Magical spells. 🙁

All Spark and Warp Gates.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I uh...yeah.

Magical spells. 🙁

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not anywhere close to being a Polymimetic Alloy, though. They are

TX had even smaller robots (millions of times smaller).

I don't see how that even holds a candle to Polymimetic Alloy. Impressive by our technological standards, for sure, though.

Tissues? How do you know that it wasn't semiconducter soup? (Which is most likely what it was. They are grown similar to crystals.)

Skynet, in less than 2 decades, advanced every facet of their technology to be superior to the Cybertronians (cept for a select few that I can't remember, at the moment), and the Cybertronians literally have not advanced in over 10,000 years.

Ok fair point on the semi conductor soup possiblity, but given that weve seen this stuff coming out of TFs onscreen like this from BB, Starscream, Ravage when Ravage got tron apart) we can be assured that its part of their biology. The pretender situation cliches it for me though... Cybertronian produced flesh has been around since the 80s when the Pretenders were introduced.

Maybe it was stated and I missed it; Transformer-tech has the ability to assume human form too, like the T-X.

The assassin-girl-robot that went after Sam in his dorm room. Don't recall its name.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ok fair point on the semi conductor soup possiblity, but given that weve seen this stuff coming out of TFs onscreen like this from BB, Starscream, Ravage when Ravage got tron apart) we can be assured that its part of their biology. The pretender situation cliches it for me though... Cybertronian produced flesh has been around since the 80s when the Pretenders were introduced.

😆

Okay, okay.....you win this one. So it's now a tie with the biological flesh stuff. (I consider the 80s cartoon as superior canon than the films....but that's just me. It's not allowed in here, but you and I will most likely agree there, so I see no harm in it.)

Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe it was stated and I missed it; Transformer-tech has the ability to assume human form too, like the T-X.

It was never stated. However, that form is not similar to "polymimetic alloys" or the actual living tissue from the other Terminators, though, it is literally, moving around and changing the color of metal. She wasn't atually flesh, if you recall, when they kissed, Sam said it was metal tasting. So, it's not flesh, it's metal, just like they can do with matching of cars.

I think it makes sense that they COULD match humans, if they are small enough, but, like Sadako said in the movie thread, they do what looks like Mass shifting anyway. I don't think it's mass shifting, but it is still arguable, imo.

Originally posted by Robtard
The assassin-girl-robot that went after Sam in his dorm room. Don't recall its name.

Her name is Alice. Leo (the annoying roommate of Sam's), said it when they saw her in the hall when Sam was first settling in.

Yeah thats the Decepticon "Pretender" chick I was referring to..

Originally posted by dadudemon

It was never stated. However, that form is not similar to "polymimetic alloys" or the actual living tissue from the other Terminators, though, it is literally, moving around and changing the color of metal. She wasn't atually flesh, if you recall, when they kissed, Sam said it was metal tasting. So, it's not flesh, it's metal, just like they can do with matching of cars.

Yet it looked and felt like skin. Very similar to the T-1000 and T-X, imo.

He said it tasted of diesel.

Did anyone ever kiss a Terminator to see what swapping fluids with them tasted like?

Pennzoil, most likely.