Kratos Seeks Revenge on Link

Started by Sin_Volvagia15 pages
Originally posted by ScreamPaste

Link > Kratos in skill, and his sword is all evil-smitey, said it a million times.

Before he became a servant of Ares, he was a Spartan general that was undefeated until the battle against the Barbarians. And really, after all the feats that Kratos has done and the uses he has made with his main weapons, he's far skilled than Link. Link needs to find special items to even defeat boss characters because his Master Sword alone isn't good enough (i.e. Megaton Hammer is needed against Volvagia).


Three problems with this:

1. Composite Link is always used in Vs. debates outside KMC.

2. God of War 3 wasn't released then.

3. This thread is using Link from OoT

That's not good enough evidence that OoT Link beats Kratos. Hope Kratos would rip Composite Link apart.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Until GoW3, Link was infact stronger,

Kratos was always stronger than Link. You're just too much of a fanboy to accept that. Preventing himself from being crushed by Atlas is a far greater feat than lifting a big pillar of granite (which Kratos could do as well). Link only has arm strength from the Gauntlets and is nothing special without it.


LOL all you like, it's true. Also, my turn to LOL. Link wins in skill and demonstrable striking speed, he's strong enough to kill Kratos with the master sword, and that's all he needs.

Anybody who has played a God of War game and a Zelda game know Kratos has faster striking speed and skill.


Now, I haven't played GoW3, but does anythign bad happen to the earth's crust after Atlas is freed? 😮 Just askin'.

Atlas doesn't appear at GoW3 at all.


The master sword is stated to be, arguing with the games now? The master sword is powerful, and Link is strong, and Kratos is evil. Link has everythign he needs to kill Kratos.

You act like the Master Sword kills everything in one shot which is obviously not true especially since he needs the help of a new item to even beat boss characters. The Helmasaur King needed his armored head broken with bombs or the Magic Hammer to even be harmed. Volvagia needed his head smashed with the Megaton Hammer for the Master Sword to work. Dodongos have to be fed with bombs. Bongo Bongo had to have his hands shot with arrows. Fyrus had to be knocked over. Stallord had to be hit with the Spinner. Armogohma required statues to smash its armor. Agahnim needed to be hit with his own spells. Argghus needed his balls destroyed by having them reeled with a hookshot. Kholdstare had to have its icy armor melted with fire. Trinexx required the Fire Rod and Ice Rod in order to be defeated.

The Master Sword is not as powerful as you claim it to be. The Blade of Olympus is smaller than a tooth pick when compared to Cronos and it killed him when Kratos stabbed him in the head. It defeated the entire Titans with one strike and vaporized all the soldiers in Rhodes.

Link is getting torn apart.

Though I agree that Link could harm Kratos given the chance, Kratos can dish out and take so much more then Link can.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Until GoW3, Link was infact stronger, LOL all you like, it's true. Also, my turn to LOL. Link wins in skill and demonstrable striking speed, he's strong enough to kill Kratos with the master sword, and that's all he needs.

At the end of the game it was still GoW2 Kratos, and he didn't snatch it so much as they had a length exchange whiel flying.

ORLY? No. They couldn't even lift Hades if that scene really was all physical strength as you like to pretend, and Atlas gets off the hook based entirely on his namesake, being the same race as someone does not give you their feats. So, here's your apparent measurement of Kratos' strength, stop me if Im incorrect.

Atlas in the original myth holds up the earth. Atlas in GoW is imprisonedb eneath the earth, and is presumably doing what his namsake does. Cronos happens to be kind of like Atlas, but in the same way that say.. Link's sister Aryll is kinda liek Link. Now, Aryll can't do anythign Link does, bar looking through a telescope, that we can prove. But by virtue of being the related their feats are able to be shared? Nope. Not how it werks, mah boi. Cronos' can be seen doing something Atlas can do, but not /everything/ Atlas can do. Whether Atlas is actively supporting anything seems to be left amiss in the GoW universe, which many have pointed out, has many contrasts from the myth it's based on. Now, I haven't played GoW3, but does anythign bad happen to the earth's crust after Atlas is freed? 😮 Just askin'.

Cronos' strength feats: He can throw a rock. He is not Atlas, and does not get hsi feats. Now, here's where we make another jump.

Atlas = Atlas = Cronos = Kratos. If nothing else, this is a sign Cronos is infact not as strogn physicly as Atlas, as Atlas could have killed Kratos in GoW 2, with his /fingers/. Cronos is not Atlas, he's a titan of a whole different sort. Sort of like how Zeus being leader of the gods doesn't give him the powers of the others. So, at best, we know, that Kratos, can throw a big rock. It's bigger than Link's, so, neato. But it's not millions of times bigger, or millions of times faster. So, whiel Kratos, as of GoW3, is stronger, he is not millions of times stronger by any stretch.

The master sword is stated to be, arguing with the games now? The master sword is powerful, and Link is strong, and Kratos is evil. Link has everythign he needs to kill Kratos.

I will LOL all I want yes. Thanks for your unnecessary permission. Link with the gauntlets is still small fry in strength in the God of War series. You try to wank that far too much as it is anyway.

1. Again, I would ask you never declare things on which you have only have a fraction of knowledge. DURING the fight, Zeus snatches the blade of Kratos hand in grappling QTEs. He does the same thing in God of War 3's final fight. Pointless going on about this as your dumb ass assertion that Zeus is barely stronger than a mortally wounded Kratos was debunked long ago. Actually, I've seen you bring this up in several threads (even ones I didn't participate in) and each time someone pointed this out to you and yet you still used it here. What a dumb ass. 😆

2. Everytime Hades has used his soul rip, there has been an important element of strength involved, (in smaller form than what he used against Cronos/Atlas, he failed to pull out Kratos' soul, yet Kratos after weakening Hades through combat was able to pull out Hades' sould). The fact of the matter is he has to PULL the ****ing soul out. The only one pretending (and creating assumptions to mechanics of the action that you cryptically can't/won't even explain yourself) anything here is you. I've dared you to say it so I can forever ignore your posts based on demonstrated stupidity, but you still won't commit. C'mon say it, say Atlas is millions of times stronger than Cronos. Pretty please?

Again, in the very same scene, in direct comparisons, Atlas and Cronos have shown to be as comparable as you would think two high ranking Titans would be. Forget your shitty and not at all relevant attempts at being cute with the link and sister analogy, it has no place here. Dumb ass. 🙂

Once more: Hades pulled out Atlas' soul with some help from Poseidon vs. Hades gradually managing to partially pull out Cronos' soul after a more extensive tussle up in which he had the leverage initially. (By how much longer the Hades vs Cronos confrontation took is not clear, as when the cutscene started Hades was already well under with being hooked into him and struggling with him even with leverage.)

The former scenario was much shorter, but had the aid of Poseidon, the latter scenario took longer but was done solo. See? Comparable. Cronos' soul would have been taken far quicker if Poseidon had aided, but obviously not millions of times quicker. Why? Because Atlas is not millions of times stronger, obviously. 🙂

At best he is a small multiplier stronger, like 2x. That's it. Which for the purpose of my argument is still 'comparable'.

You are trying to strawman me by saying I mean they share feats. Silly rabbit. Point out where I said that. I just said that they are comparable. And they are. 🙂

Atlas and Cronos both failed to crush Kratos with a similar amount of effort with their thumb and forefinger. Atlas and Cronos both had a comparable performance against the Gods. Atlas and Cronos both throw giant boulders with a similar amount of effort. Atlas and Cronos both run/walk at comparable speeds all the while their weights would obviously be comparable as well. (At least a couple million tons each, maybe 20% more for Atlas since he has two extra arms)

Oh, also, its so cute how you wish to peg Cronos as a mere boulder thrower. Even if you use the parameters, set 'rules' of debate on the forums here, logically you know in your head even if it was his sole feat, that it wouldn't be his limit. 🙂

I recall the developers pegging the titans as being able to toss mountains anyway, and I know you won't have trouble accepting that, as Atlas himself holds up the upper crust of the world. Meaning even if his brethren were still a million of times weaker than him, it would still put them at a more then necessary strength level to toss a mere mountain. Thankfully a peer like Cronos is not at all a million times weaker. 🙂

3. I repeat, the Master Sword has zero impressive showings. Kratos' durability is above everyone's in LoZ. Everyone.

well, assuming screampaste doesnt coincidentally just stop replying in this thread, hes got a lot on his plate 😐

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Atlas doesn't appear at GoW3 at all.

Yeah, he appears in CoO rite?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
well, assuming screampaste doesnt coincidentally just stop replying in this thread, hes got a lot on his plate 😐

His computer is DoA, he can only reply from someone else's.

DoA means Dead or Alive?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
well, assuming screampaste doesnt coincidentally just stop replying in this thread, hes got a lot on his plate 😐

Damn, I was thinking of adding more Kratos points onto his plate until you pointed it out. mmm

Meh, CC and Nemebro seem to have it covered.

I'm too lazy to reply to stuff.

Maybe I'll do something here tomorrow.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
well, assuming screampaste doesnt coincidentally just stop replying in this thread, hes got a lot on his plate 😐
Won't do. 😛

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I will LOL all I want yes. Thanks for your unnecessary permission. Link with the gauntlets is still small fry in strength in the God of War series. You try to wank that far too much as it is anyway.

1. Again, I would ask you never declare things on which you have only have a fraction of knowledge. DURING the fight, Zeus snatches the blade of Kratos hand in grappling QTEs. He does the same thing in God of War 3's final fight. Pointless going on about this as your dumb ass assertion that Zeus is barely stronger than a mortally wounded Kratos was debunked long ago. Actually, I've seen you bring this up in several threads (even ones I didn't participate in) and each time someone pointed this out to you and yet you still used it here. What a dumb ass. 😆

2. Everytime Hades has used his soul rip, there has been an important element of strength involved, (in smaller form than what he used against Cronos/Atlas, he failed to pull out Kratos' soul, yet Kratos after weakening Hades through combat was able to pull out Hades' sould). The fact of the matter is he has to PULL the ****ing soul out. The only one pretending (and creating assumptions to mechanics of the action that you cryptically can't/won't even explain yourself) anything here is you. I've dared you to say it so I can forever ignore your posts based on demonstrated stupidity, but you still won't commit. C'mon say it, say Atlas is millions of times stronger than Cronos. Pretty please?

Again, in the very same scene, in direct comparisons, Atlas and Cronos have shown to be as comparable as you would think two high ranking Titans would be. Forget your shitty and not at all relevant attempts at being cute with the link and sister analogy, it has no place here. Dumb ass. 🙂

Once more: Hades pulled out Atlas' soul with some help from Poseidon vs. Hades gradually managing to partially pull out Cronos' soul after a more extensive tussle up in which he had the leverage initially. (By how much longer the Hades vs Cronos confrontation took is not clear, as when the cutscene started Hades was already well under with being hooked into him and struggling with him even with leverage.)

The former scenario was much shorter, but had the aid of Poseidon, the latter scenario took longer but was done solo. See? Comparable. Cronos' soul would have been taken far quicker if Poseidon had aided, but obviously not millions of times quicker. Why? Because Atlas is not millions of times stronger, obviously. 🙂

At best he is a small multiplier stronger, like 2x. That's it. Which for the purpose of my argument is still 'comparable'.

You are trying to strawman me by saying I mean they share feats. Silly rabbit. Point out where I said that. I just said that they are comparable. And they are. 🙂

Atlas and Cronos both failed to crush Kratos with a similar amount of effort with their thumb and forefinger. Atlas and Cronos both had a comparable performance against the Gods. Atlas and Cronos both throw giant boulders with a similar amount of effort. Atlas and Cronos both run/walk at comparable speeds all the while their weights would obviously be comparable as well. (At least a couple million tons each, maybe 20% more for Atlas since he has two extra arms)

Oh, also, its so cute how you wish to peg Cronos as a mere boulder thrower. Even if you use the parameters, set 'rules' of debate on the forums here, logically you know in your head even if it was his sole feat, that it wouldn't be his limit. 🙂

I recall the developers pegging the titans as being able to toss mountains anyway, and I know you won't have trouble accepting that, as Atlas himself holds up the upper crust of the world. Meaning even if his brethren were still a million of times weaker than him, it would still put them at a more then necessary strength level to toss a mere mountain. Thankfully a peer like Cronos is not at all a million times weaker. 🙂

3. I repeat, the Master Sword has zero impressive showings. Kratos' durability is above everyone's in LoZ. Everyone.

1. Neat, was asking if he did it in GoW3 earlier on, it still doesn't make him "millions of times stronger" than anyone, BECAUUUSE: Your assumptions of Kratos' strength are required to be valid before Zeus' can be valid, because it's a long, long, chain of assumptions.

2. Everytime Hades has used his soul rip, there has been an important element of strength involved, (in smaller form than what he used against Cronos/Atlas, he failed to pull out Kratos' soul, yet Kratos after weakening Hades through combat was able to pull out Hades' sould). The fact of the matter is he has to PULL the ****ing soul out. The only one pretending (and creating assumptions to mechanics of the action that you cryptically can't/won't even explain yourself) anything here is you. I've dared you to say it so I can forever ignore your posts based on demonstrated stupidity, but you still won't commit. C'mon say it, say Atlas is millions of times stronger than Cronos. Pretty please?
You're illiterate.
There's a LOT more at work with that than just strength, otherwise neither Atlas nor Cronos could lift Hades. HM.

Also, Atlas doesn't need to be millions of times stronger than anyone, you assume he's equal to myth Atlas with no evidence to support that. 😮

I notice you totally ignored my little summary. So, Atlas and Cronos have to be comparable because they're both titans? And I'm being cute/a dumbass? Not how it works. Cronos needs his own feats, and your list of things they do "comparably" is short and unimportant. superman and I can both lift chairs, I am not comparable to superman.
Also, Atlas holding up the earth's crust is kinda lulz in GoW, seein' as we see just fine that it holds itself up before he's imprisoned and nothing adverse seems to happen after he's freed. we have ten million instances of the game deviating from the myth but you assume this part is entirely the same.

comparable soul rip resistance =/= comparable physical strength, even if Atlas in GoW was equal to his mythological counterpart.

Atlas and Cronos both failed to crush Kratos with a similar amount of effort with their thumb and forefinger.
FAAAAAALSE. Atlas wasn't trying to kill him in GoW2.

Find a strength feat that actually puts Cronos where you say he is, and therefore Kratos and therefore Zeus, and if you're lucky maybe Atlas, orrrrrrr, Cronos isn't any stronger than his feats say he is. Strong enough to support his weight and throw a big rock.

Also, no impressive showings now? You sound like burning thought. 🙁

Did Link slow down time yet? Also, the Master Sword is going to kill anything it deems evil and chooses to kill, sorry.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Did Link slow down time yet? Also, the Master Sword is going to kill anything it deems evil and chooses to kill, sorry.

If the MS deemed Pre-Retcon Beyonder evil, would it kill him? 🙂

Nah.

But pre-retcon beyonder is kinda hax. 😬 And by kinda, I mean the definition.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
If the MS deemed Pre-Retcon Beyonder evil, would it kill him? 🙂
I smell a trap. Describe Beyonder to me, then I'll answer.

Dun't spoil it dude, let 5L answer the question estahuh

Originally posted by LLLLLink
I smell a trap. Describe Beyonder to me, then I'll answer.

He's a gai that looks like Donny Osmond.

Edit.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Dun't spoil it dude, let 5L answer the question estahuh

Heh, I've seen this argument somewhere before. Elaborate please.

He's arguably the most powerful character in fiction.