Wolverine vs.... THE KNOCK OUT!

i clearly did not say that did i.... i said context of the story needs to be viewed in its entirety not one single scan where he is ko'ed and claim all it took was a peak human in a one on one fight.. most ppl post the main boss bout where logan gets knocked out but dont post what it took logan to reach him.. being tested prodded beaten.. poison etc etc...

now i know their is one scan that exist where logan was clearly ko'ed without him havent bn put through the ringer.. i hated it and also laughed b/c it was done by one of my favorite characters Pip.. but.. i could also argue if i wanted to that logan wasnt ko'ed b/c irrc logan rubbing his head in the background of a splash page with all the heroes fighting so could claim it really just hurt him or knocked him down but not out in the one panel or like some he was ko'ed right there and then and simply recovered one or two panels later..

anyways this is like someone claiming Red skull can beat the snot out of panther vibe suit and all and not take context of the story... some argue that it was pis b/c of the damage caused by red skull to the suit others claim that he must not have bn wearing it b/c it wouldnt have torn others focus on BP not being a very good fighter and probably would drop him down a lvl in skills or physical stats while forgetting or not knowing that panther had a brain aneurysm during the story arc believing those few panels is a perfect representation of the character.. obviously ppl who read BP comics would frown on such a view of a laymen reader

People need to learn the concepts of Durability and Healing Factor as they aren't the same, as I've addressed in the Gamora vs Wolverine thread. WIth this simple basic understanding of comics is achieved we can move forward.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yeah. Now what?

Oh he read them eventually... Shadow.. but his bias interpretations won't allow him to comprehend them very well.

Originally posted by Deadline
Er no. I know exactly what you're refering to. Wolverine fought SS and we found out he was heavily sleep deprived and was starving. The problem again is you are making assumptions and exaggerating.

Just because he was starving when he fought SS doesn't mean he was starving and sleep deprived when he fought Cap. Furthermore the fight he had with Nuke wasn't shit at all.

Yes it's not an important part of the story even though it was stated repeatidly to be a part of the story before and AFTER the fight...

Originally posted by Deadline
No do't try it i've read lots of Wolverine comics. The problem isn't my lack of comic reading the problem is you're biased interpretations.

Now Deadline please stop.

Can we get back to the point of this thread guys?

Originally posted by jinzin

Or maybe we're just good at comprehending context. ✅

Absolutely. Everytime Wolverine gets Koed and there are 100s of examples each time its because you're good at understanding context.

You should also know that in Marvel its actually part of their policy that whenever somebody writes a Wolverine story they always need to create a reason for him being KOed (eg some damage he took previoulsy).

Originally posted by jinzin
Now Deadline please stop.

Can we get back to the point of this thread guys?

*looks him up and down*

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
People need to learn the concepts of Durability and Healing Factor as they aren't the same, as I've addressed in the Gamora vs Wolverine thread. WIth this simple basic understanding of comics is achieved we can move forward.

Originally posted by Deadline
Absolutely. Everytime Wolverine gets Koed and there are 100s of examples each time its because you're good at understanding context.

You should also know that in Marvel its actually part of their policy that whenever somebody writes a Wolverine story they always need to create a reason for him being KOed (eg some damage he took previoulsy).

Hundreds of examples... THEN PLEASE PRODUCE THEM. That IS afterall the purpose of this thread.

No, you should know that in Marvel it is their policy to write stories. Sometimes those stories need CONTEXT to work or make sense.

Originally posted by jinzin
your ranting has no place here.

Originally posted by dmills
So unless Wolverine is at optimal levels a ko wont count against him? He has to have gotten the proper rest, eaten his breakfast, taken his vitamins and drank his gatorade before a ko is deemed legit?

Dmills, it's not so much that we have to account for Wolverine having gotten his proper sleep and nourishment etc etc.... before a KO is deemed legit.

Alternatively; it's more about whether or not there is legitimate evidence that Wolverine was hurt/lacking before the KO to a point that brings the KO into question

As with Mr. X: Wolverine was shot, burned, blown up, stabbed, cut, choked, beat, and by a large sum of opponents all before he ever even got to X.... then with Blok after X, Wolverine had everything previously mentioned, on top of what X hit him with in that fight and the only thing he had inbetween was rest as far as we know.

The Sasquatch example Srank brought up is completely legit, but we have to take into account that this example is from classic Wolverine/before his HF was even written into the character at that...

If you look at Deadlines last posts you can see the issue. "Wolverine's been knocked out hundreds of times"...

Okay, that's not necessarily untrue but now we have to go about weeding out the legit knock outs from the crap (being where Wolverine's been torn up to a breaking point beforehand).....

It's pretty simple, many forum threads involving Wolverine have anti-Wolverine posters put up that so-and-so can knock Wolverine out using some nonsense tactic, to which Wolverine supporters have to remind them that Wolverine can tank Hulk punches, to which the Anti-Wolvesters insist that you don't have to be as strong as Hulk or anywhere near that strong, to knock Wolverine out, and weaker people have done it.....

Oh, really? Okay.... how about we go on proving this then and the likelyhood....

^ lets cut to the chase: lets use batman since we all know this is where this is heading. can he and guys in his class knock him out legitimately? and have they in the past?

dracula one-shotted him didn't he? same issue he caught colossus's fist.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ lets cut to the chase: lets use batman since we all know this is where this is heading. can he and guys in his class knock him out legitimately? and have they in the past?

Why use batman? Have the two even faught in canon???

The bottom line is out of all the times Wolverine HAS been knocked out, you might find FIVE scans that show that show that Wolverine gets knocked out by like two or three punches without taking prior subsequent damage. You might find five in all of marvel comics?? Now how many do we have where the opposite has proven true? Hundreds? 😉

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ lets cut to the chase: lets use batman since we all know this is where this is heading. can he and guys in his class knock him out legitimately? and have they in the past?

Batman - or anyone in his strength class - would be hard pressed to knock out Wolverine, even without the aid of his healing factor thanks to his Adamantium skull, which would be a massive advantage against any peak human opponent. With his healing factor it would be next to impossible for someone like Batman to inflicted the type of damage need to overwork Wolverine's healing factor to the point that Logan could be taken down, even for a 10 second TKO. It would take Batman days to equal the amount of damage a single blow from the Hulk can deliver. No street level MA could realistically take even 1/10 from Wolverine in a forum match.

Originally posted by jinzin

It's pretty simple, many forum threads involving Wolverine have anti-Wolverine posters put up that so-and-so can knock Wolverine out using some nonsense tactic, to which Wolverine supporters have to remind them that Wolverine can tank Hulk punches, to which the Anti-Wolvesters insist that you don't have to be as strong as Hulk or anywhere near that strong, to knock Wolverine out, and weaker people have done it.....

Oh, really? Okay.... how about we go on proving this then and the likelyhood....

people that are weaker then hulk can and have knocked him out tho. I don't think many people are claiming that people less then hulk can cassually one shot him but in a fight they can and have knocke dhim out before.

Originally posted by jalek moye
people that are weaker then hulk can and have knocked him out tho. I don't think many people are claiming that people less then hulk can cassually one shot him but in a fight they can and have knocke dhim out before.

well what exactly counts as a legit knock out to you then? because it its just examples of times hes been knocked out at the end of a fight with someone or something like that then yea i can get those. if ur talking about him getting like one shotted, I said in my post that can't really happen.

Originally posted by jalek moye
well what exactly counts as a legit knock out to you then? because it its just examples of times hes been knocked out at the end of a fight with someone or something like that then yea i can get those. if ur talking about him getting like one shotted, I said in my post that can't really happen.

Failing that/exhausting that: We'll move down a notch to:
Getting put down in one fight by one consecutive opponent who doesn't have to rely on plot device/dues ex machina to get the win.

THEN we can estimate the likelyhood of those showings and furthermore what it typically takes to down in even in the realm of that likelyhood.

trying to be as objective as possible.

k. i'll look through all my wolverine and xmen comics and see what i can post after work tommorow.

cool. thanks for the interest

didnt the guardian of the M'krann crystal ko logan? i cant recall..

also batman is not ko'ing logn period w/o massive wpns to weaken him 1st..