who is the strongest being/character/person that dr.strange (classic) could defeat?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
And how is that comparable to what Apoc has been through? He took the time to study the celestial tech provided to him for centuries. He worked for his powers unlike Superman. I mean Superman is pretty much perfect.

Don't forget Sinister or Stryker or Mystique. Plus being second to Magneto is good enough.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Being famous and being crap aren't mutually exclusive anyway.

See: Two Girls One Cup or Paris Hilton.

Besides I can name X-Men villains more well-known, like Mystique and the Dark Phoenix.

mystique is more well know than Apoc because she was featured in the movies. And no Dark Phoenix isn't more famous than Nur.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When?

Centuries ago in Egypt when he was worshipped as a god.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Superman trying to control his powers so he doesn't crush people when he hugs them or shake their hands isn't "working for it?"

And Superman isn't perfect. Anyone who reads Superman, whether they like him or not, knows he's not. He has plenty of flaws and weaknesses.

And what? That takes years and years I'd practice? I think not.

I have read tons of Superman to confirm that he is perfect. Connor Kent has said it, Supergirl has said it etc.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Centuries ago in Egypt when he was worshipped as a god.

Being worshiped by a bunch of primitive people who'd think Angel is a god isn't impressive. And it's also a far cry from ruling over the world which you claimed.

The Dark Phoenix Saga is a quintessential classic X-Men arc, from the days of pre-crisis Claremont.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he's self aware of the jobber role

kinda, it shows the superiority complex he has cause he's obsessed with his ideologies, he's not evil cause it's fun, he just shows total disregard for beings he views as chess pieces.

apocalypse is a twisted view on moses imo, instead of the whole god's envoy thing, he took things into his own hands and used his abilities to f up the timeline

he was also worshiped in china, mexico, babalonia, south america, etc

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Notwithstanding that you're basing this on a bunch of relatively poor dialogue from an animated series, that's at best a character concept. Not a stellar one, imo, but so poorly executed and developed that that's a moot point anyway.

i can't relly make him sound more complex than what is already quite "common knowledge" for those that know apocalypse's character design. he can't win in 616 cause his ideologies clash with soo many characters good and bad. he'd have to either kill most of them (age of apocalypse) or ally with them somehow. he can't have things his way and that's the flaw of his character

Originally posted by TheTyrant
And what? That takes years and years I'd practice? I think not.

I have read tons of Superman to confirm that he is perfect. Connor Kent has said it, Supergirl has said it etc.

It did take years of practice learning how to live like a normal "human", much less mastering his powers to great effect.

He's not perfect, though. People can think he is, doesn't make it so. And Superman knows he's not perfect. He's made mistakes and has flaws just like everybody else.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he was also worshiped in china, mexico, babalonia, south america, etc

I wasn't talking to you. Stay out of my attempts to have some fun.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i can't relly make him sound more complex than what is already quite "common knowledge" for those that know apocalypse's character design. he can't win in 616 cause his ideologies clash with soo many characters good and bad. he'd have to either kill most of them (age of apocalypse) or ally with them somehow. he can't have things his way and that's the flaw of his character

It has nothing to do with winning or losing or plans succeeding. That isn't the essence of his fail. The cliched origin, conception and motivation, poor design (imo), crap execution, lack of development is what makes for a crap character.

The constant losing is just the factor that makes it confounding that such a poor character manages to garner a following, since usually that only happens to crap characters that do impressive things like SuperEmo Prime or Craptry.

you can't get blood from a stone (please don't spin that 🙁 )apocalypse is as developed as he's going to get, he's a being that has deemed himself superior than all others (even verging on talking shit about celestials). but him not winning is part of the problem, he won't change his views nor his approach in making them reality.

so his many flaws out of the way; how could you not like the arrogant darwinian stance he has? he was right in the distant past when he stated that "mutants" were the next step, he was proven correct thousands of years later and up till that point he was a self-styled god and tyrant pushing his weight around.

bad...ass

Compare a villain like apocalypse to someone like dr doom...

It's like comparing an adult (victor) to en Sabah nur...

He'll even dr dooms name means winner...
And as far as learning/perfecting crazy tech ask reed about that shit
though as a character reed is usually pretty stale..

I prefer strife or genesis to be more intereting villains...

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
strongest is probably people like thor superman captain marvel loki apocolypse .any subskyfather level above can take him

what version of thor and captain marvel are we talking about? And i am pretty sure strange can take these characters without prep. But with prep, its much higher level...

Could strange take out someone like nabu with prep?

Yes.

Originally posted by rotiart
Compare a villain like apocalypse to someone like dr doom...

It's like comparing an adult (victor) to en Sabah nur...

He'll even dr dooms name means winner...
And as far as learning/perfecting crazy tech ask reed about that shit
though as a character reed is usually pretty stale..

I prefer strife or genesis to be more intereting villains...

"as far as learning/perfecting crazy tech ask reed about that shit".

^ reed is great with tech, but if you mean celestial teck is just "crazy tech", you'd be understating it. clossest parallel reed has in terms of using space god level tech is the UN, but he can only use it, not learn how to build one nor understand it's workings faster than apocalypse given the same time with it if they both were clueless about it before hand.

apocalypse could interface with it 😐

Originally posted by TheTyrant
mystique is more well know than Apoc because she was featured in the movies. And no Dark Phoenix isn't more famous than Nur.

Mystique is more famous because her mini is better than anything Apoc has been in.

Dark Phoenix is definitely more famous too.

Originally posted by Konton
Mystique is more famous because her mini is better than anything Apoc has been in.

Dark Phoenix is definitely more famous too.

That's because Apocalypse sucks. His like a walking failure machine.

I remember when the Living Monolith was powerful. Then it was revealed Apocalypse created it and it was downhill from there. 🙂

Don't we have any Apocalypse fans on this board? It's no fun ragging on him if no one gets upset about it.

Instead Apoc has been the final villain in all of the X-Men-SF games(minus 1 or 2)

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yeah Apoc is pretty much the only major X-Villain to not appear in any of the movies.

almost tempted to say sabretooth cause he was robbed of all of his personality and character.

@ psychogundam... Actually now that I think about it... It may have been the high evolutionary and not reed that was working on the celestial tech.... I'll have to look it back up...