Ok, from what I read on this topic I don't get what the discussion is supposed to be. We aknowledge that writers suck at anatomy -most readers suck at it themselvers- but at the same time a bullet can simply split and fragments would still get to the brain giving pretty much the same result. What's the controversy?
Originally posted by Bentley
Ok, from what I read on this topic I don't get what the discussion is supposed to be. We aknowledge that writers suck at anatomy -most readers suck at it themselvers- but at the same time a bullet can simply split and fragments would still get to the brain giving pretty much the same result. What's the controversy?
Hmm that true actually but from what I remember the whole bullet would enter the brain.....but yeah thats actually possible.
Re: Wolverine vs. Phantom Bone Theory
Originally posted by jinzin
We all know the score here.And for those of you who don't. It's been argued in many a thread that one tactic for beating Wolverine in a forum battle is by breaking his neck, ripping him apart, or otherwise comprimising his bone structure for the win.
For years Wolverine supporters have argued that Wolverine can't be ripped apart, that his bones have been bonded on the molecular level but somehow still allow for movement.
Because of this argumentation, we are lead to the second part of this story where Wolverine has had his brain penetrated by bullets, and arrows, but each time having been by a method impossible to replicate on a human skull were it covered with Adamantium.
Some camps believe that if Wolverine's skeletal structure is different enough to be impossible to pull apart, then it's different enough to argue that he's missing bones allowing for these instances to take place.
Some camps argue that these instances are nothing more than PIS based on general misconceptions of the human anatomy and that if Wolverine were missing pieces of his skull and/or other body parts it would have been mentioned by now.
Whatever the case may be, it's a hard case to call with evidence on both sides of the fence... Let's see which side is more convincing.
honestly, the case against the phantom bone theory makes sense, that doesn't change the fact that wolverine has been shown to be taken down in such a manner several times for the past couple of years, if it happened once under one writer, i could understand it being pis. when the same thing happens more than once though, how can it be PIS, this should be taken up with the mods.
Okay, but if we try and go by REAL LIFE biology here, we have to remember that Wolverine's brain would turn to goo from sloshing around the inside of his skull - even from a hit by Spiderman! So...what we end up with is Wolverine's brain (and all other organs) regenerating instantaneously after being turned to pure liquid? If that was actually true, wouldn't all other wounds heal that quickly? I mean...how does his brain heal itself from being pure liquid? Does he fight the angel of death every time he takes a Hulk punch? Common people...we should just accept that the character is inconsistently written and there are just too many contradictions to actually make sense of it all.
How we decide what we accept on this board should be a matter of reasoned logic as well as a majority of scans supporting a reasonable conclusion.
Originally posted by Trackz
honestly, the case against the phantom bone theory makes sense, that doesn't change the fact that wolverine has been shown to be taken down in such a manner several times for the past couple of years, if it happened once under one writer, i could understand it being pis. when the same thing happens more than once though, how can it be PIS, this should be taken up with the mods.
It's only happened half a dozen times, and they are all different entry points. Nasal cavity, orbital, ear, and the Deadpool example. It's not as though the Nasal cavity and taking a cross bow in the ear has any relevance to him taking a bullet to the eye what so ever - they are all essentially isolated examples involving different parts of human anatomy.
Like I've said, we've seen the bones that would need to be missing for this to be possible. Also he has been shot in the eye at least three additional times without any mention of the bullet penetrating his skull and hitting his brain, once with a shot gun, once with a hand gun, once with an anti-material rifle. There possible other two instances with a sniper rifle and shot gun, but they aren't clear if it was actually in his eye socket. When Weapon X was testing out Agent Zero they gave him an "Anti-metal Bullet" to take out Wolverine, but since the Director didn't want Wolverine to die he replaced it with a normal bullet. His rational was even if Zero took the shot, it wouldn't be effective and Wolverine would be fine.
In order for examples of Wolverine being shot in the brain to be considered valid they have to be explainable, and the aren't explainable. There is no reasoning offered on panel and theory we can come up with in an attempt to explain them is contradicted by on panel evidence.
Originally posted by srankmissingninthere are wholes in the back of the brain sockets, heck wolverine stuffed his claws through them most recently and ko'd himself. i mean this has worked pretty much every time some has tried it, i mean even wolverine has stated it would work, no?
It's only happened half a dozen times, and they are all different entry points. Nasal cavity, orbital, ear, and the Deadpool example. It's not as though the Nasal cavity and taking a cross bow in the ear has any relevance to him taking a bullet to the eye what so ever - they are all essentially isolated examples involving different parts of human anatomy.Like I've said, we've seen the bones that would need to be missing for this to be possible. Also he has been shot in the eye at least three additional times without any mention of the bullet penetrating his skull and hitting his brain, once with a shot gun, once with a hand gun, once with an anti-material rifle. There possible other two instances with a sniper rifle and shot gun, but they aren't clear if it was actually in his eye socket. When Weapon X was testing out Agent Zero they gave him an "Anti-metal Bullet" to take out Wolverine, but since the Director didn't want Wolverine to die he replaced it with a normal bullet. His rational was even if Zero took the shot, it wouldn't be effective and Wolverine would be fine.
In order for examples of Wolverine being shot in the brain to be considered valid they have to be explainable, and the aren't explainable. There is no reasoning offered on panel and theory we can come up with in an attempt to explain them is contradicted by on panel evidence.
Originally posted by SamZED
Ugh.. It wouldnt make sense - the whole "Wolverine has bones in his eyesockets protecting his brain" thing. Im pretty sure its only supported by some 30 year old poorly drawn picture of his skeleton and even there its hard to tell. Dont think any writer has ever confirmed that.
Originally posted by Trackz
there are wholes in the back of the brain sockets, heck wolverine stuffed his claws through them most recently and ko'd himself. i mean this has worked pretty much every time some has tried it, i mean even wolverine has stated it would work, no?
brain sockets what? and what are you babbling about it working everytime or some such nonsenses. You pretty much ignore his entire arguement and responded with utter nonsenses.......
Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Okay, but if we try and go by REAL LIFE biology here, we have to remember that Wolverine's brain would turn to goo from sloshing around the inside of his skull - even from a hit by Spiderman! So...what we end up with is Wolverine's brain (and all other organs) regenerating instantaneously after being turned to pure liquid? If that was actually true, wouldn't all other wounds heal that quickly? I mean...how does his brain heal itself from being pure liquid? Does he fight the angel of death every time he takes a Hulk punch? Common people...we should just accept that the character is inconsistently written and there are just too many contradictions to actually make sense of it all.How we decide what we accept on this board should be a matter of reasoned logic as well as a majority of scans supporting a reasonable conclusion.
Real life biology where brain turns to liquid suddenly?
Originally posted by Battlehammer...and you clearly ignored mine, i meant eye sockets, relax. next i didn't even pose an argument, i asked a question.
what you just said made almost no senses......brain sockets what? and what are you babbling about it working everytime or some such nonsenses. You pretty much ignore his entire arguement and responded with utter nonsenses.......
Originally posted by Omgu8mynewt
Real life biology where brain turns to liquid suddenly?
well, if you had an unbreakable skull, and someone as strong as the Hulk punched you...ANYWHERE, your brain would turn into goo...not sure if it would be pure LIQUID, but it would a viscus pudding at best. The brain naturally has the consistency of pudding and so even a slight shot to the head causes slight permanent brain damage. If you get in a fight and someone hits you with a decent shot - you don't even need a concussion - you will have slight brain damage. Of course, much like drinking alcohol, the damage is so slight you won't notice any effects...at least not immediately - but over time, these things build up and there will be a noticeable difference. The damage is caused by the brain being sloshed around against the skull as it sits afloat in the cerebral spinal fluid. Now if Hulk hits Wolverine, his brain, under rules of real biology would be turned to pure goo. The initial blow itself would blow he brain apart inside the skull and literally, all you would see if you somehow opened it up, is this soupy cerebral spinal fluid, mixed with blood and thinned out chunks of brain all over the skull walls - there would be nothing left to regenerate.b
Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
well, if you had an unbreakable skull, and someone as strong as the Hulk punched you...ANYWHERE, your brain would turn into goo...not sure if it would be pure LIQUID, but it would a viscus pudding at best. The brain naturally has the consistency of pudding and so even a slight shot to the head causes slight permanent brain damage. If you get in a fight and someone hits you with a decent shot - you don't even need a concussion - you will have slight brain damage. Of course, much like drinking alcohol, the damage is so slight you won't notice any effects...at least not immediately - but over time, these things build up and there will be a noticeable difference. The damage is caused by the brain being sloshed around against the skull as it sits afloat in the cerebral spinal fluid. Now if Hulk hits Wolverine, his brain, under rules of real biology would be turned to pure goo. The initial blow itself would blow he brain apart inside the skull and literally, all you would see if you somehow opened it up, is this soupy cerebral spinal fluid, mixed with blood and thinned out chunks of brain all over the skull walls - there would be nothing left to regenerate.b
Well, it has been said on panel in the narration that Wolverine's organs are liquefied every time the Hulk hits him. So there is that.
Anyway:
Wolverine takes a shot to the eye from a high powered machine gun to the eye. He is completely unphased and digs out the shell with his fingers:
Takes an anti material sniper rifle bullet to the eye, doesn't even slow his stride:
Takes a shot gun blast to the eye. Kills the shooters and picks out the buckshot:
Weapon X thinks that an Anti-metal bullet is required to take Wolverine down with a head shot even from one of the best marksmen in Marvel U. The bullet is replaced with a standard round since the Director doesn't what Wolverine to have it that easy. Clearly Weapon X doesn't think a normal bullet would get into the brain from behind the eye. But what do they know? They only gave him his Adamantium in first place.
Two more possible ones
Wolverine possible takes a hand gun round to the eye. He goes down for a few seconds, but Rucka's Wolverine was shown to be koed by a sniper rifle bullet to even to the side of the head. Rucka's Wolverine was more of a bullet dodger than most incarnations:
Winter Soldiers sniper takes a shot at Wolverine. It's not clear where he is shot in the face but we can see his face as he falls and there is no bullet wound or blood leaving the only possible entry point the eye socket that is in shadow:
Those are examples I tracked down from memory off the top of my head, I'm sure if I bothered to look I would find more. I wish this assine crap had come up while jinzin and I were creating the respect thread and going through every Wolverine appearance. Common sense shit we didn't bother to included or take not of because we VASTLY over estimated the general intelligance of posters on KMC.
This theory is absurd. It flies directly into the face of on panel. Evidence that shows Wolverine has the bones that would needed be missing for this to be possible, evidence that shows even weaker incarnations of Wolverine being shot in the eye to no avail, and of course general anatomy. It is a contradiction to virtually everything we know or have seen of Wolverine. Quite frankly anyone who thinks this is a valid theory that needs discussion or warrants discourse is an idiot.
Originally posted by jinzinWolverine either gets his bones ripped apart or his brain stabbed through his eye.
We all know the score here.And for those of you who don't. It's been argued in many a thread that one tactic for beating Wolverine in a forum battle is by breaking his neck, ripping him apart, or otherwise comprimising his bone structure for the win.
For years Wolverine supporters have argued that Wolverine can't be ripped apart, that his bones have been bonded on the molecular level but somehow still allow for movement.
Because of this argumentation, we are lead to the second part of this story where Wolverine has had his brain penetrated by bullets, and arrows, but each time having been by a method impossible to replicate on a human skull were it covered with Adamantium.
Some camps believe that if Wolverine's skeletal structure is different enough to be impossible to pull apart, then it's different enough to argue that he's missing bones allowing for these instances to take place.
Some camps argue that these instances are nothing more than PIS based on general misconceptions of the human anatomy and that if Wolverine were missing pieces of his skull and/or other body parts it would have been mentioned by now.
Whatever the case may be, it's a hard case to call with evidence on both sides of the fence... Let's see which side is more convincing.
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