N. Korea saber rattling over sunken warship.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
the same old Rhetoric, if a war was waged it would have to be a massive initial attack. So as to make N.Korea inaffective on the retaliation side.

Big bombs and air strikes all over, not to mention electronic EMP-ing the Korean electronic stuff so they can´t communicate or launch anything

I'm not really entirely sure any of the Western nations would get involved with actual military presence, I can see perhaps maybe light infantry/armoured support and most likely supplies to the South Koreans, but I can't see actual soldiers going over to fight.

Western countries ruined that section of the world, I think they just want to dust their hands off and put it behind them.

EDIT:

"Kim Jong-Il has put North Korean troops on combat alert and threatened military action if the South trespasses in its waters..."

"On Monday, President Obama also told the U.S. military to prepare for conflict as it plans to carry out anti-submarine and other naval exercises with South Korea"

Disregard the above I guess. Looks like there will be a second Korean War.

Originally posted by Liberator
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"On Monday, President Obama also told the U.S. military to prepare for conflict as it plans to carry out anti-submarine and other naval exercises with South Korea"

Which can be translated to "were gonna blow your Subs out of the sea, and you won´t know who it was."

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Which can be translated to "were gonna blow your Subs out of the sea, and you won´t know who it was."

That would be hilarious, if a bunch of N. Korea's subs and/or ships are destroyed and both S. Korean and the US respond in kind with "wasn't me."

n. korea's asking for it, isn't she; thing is there's probably more to it though..

it's as if they want to be attacked because either they know they're communist downfall's gonna happen inevitably anyway because of how small the world's gotten technologically speaking or they want the (frail) u.s. to engage them so as to give China (n. korea's ally and the u.s. largest debtor) a perfect excuse and have a cause to go to war with the u.s. hence winning the day for n. korea even if they win or lose, as long as the u.s. finally falls. they'd consider it a sacrifice worth going for.

basically they know that they're gonna go down they're just gonna make a huge mess of it all and leave as big a scar as they can.

Originally posted by Robtard
That would be hilarious, if a bunch of N. Korea's subs and/or ships are destroyed and both S. Korean and the US respond in kind with "wasn't me."

That´s what I thought, and considering the technological advantage the US has in military matters, they could easily get away with it.

They are bound to have some stealth sub which fires sonic waves or semething.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
n. korea's asking for it, isn't she; thing is there's probably more to it though..

it's as if they want to be attacked because either they know they're communist downfall's gonna happen inevitably anyway because of how small the world's gotten technologically speaking or they want the (frail) u.s. to engage them so as to give China (n. korea's ally and the u.s. largest debtor) a perfect excuse and have a cause to go to war with the u.s. hence winning the day for n. korea even if they win or lose, as long as the u.s. finally falls. they'd consider it a sacrifice worth going for.

basically they know that they're gonna go down they're just gonna make a huge mess of it all and leave as big a scar as they can.

china cant do squat to us. if they declare war on us for attacking korea we'll laugh in their faces and decimate their army and annihilate their economy. if they demand that we pay all our debt we'll laugh in their face, and if they try to take it by force we'll annihilate their economy and decimate their army.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
china cant do squat to us. if they declare war on us for attacking korea we'll laugh in their faces and decimate their army and annihilate their economy. if they demand that we pay all our debt we'll laugh in their face, and if they try to take it by force we'll annihilate their economy and decimate their army.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
china cant do squat to us. if they declare war on us for attacking korea we'll laugh in their faces and decimate their army and annihilate their economy. if they demand that we pay all our debt we'll laugh in their face, and if they try to take it by force we'll annihilate their economy and decimate their army.

(I actually thought n. Korea had the largest standing army on the planet at 1 million, parmaniac.)

mrs.marvel, you grossely underestimate china's capabilities and they're war machine. Taking them lightly is what they want. They're not called a sleeping giant for no reason.

Not to undermine the u.s. but do you really think we can afford and/or withhold a war on 4 fronts effectively enough especially against 2 nuke ready army superpowers? I don't think so, lady .

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
(I actually thought n. Korea had the largest standing army on the planet at 1 million, parmaniac.)

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
china cant do squat to us. if they declare war on us for attacking korea we'll laugh in their faces and decimate their army and annihilate their economy. if they demand that we pay all our debt we'll laugh in their face, and if they try to take it by force we'll annihilate their economy and decimate their army.

China has a very strong army, most are required for service and even in school the children are taught to fight.

I think you're mistaken, the vast majority of US business is outsourced to China, in other words, the United States relies on China for simple goods like clothing.

Imagine if everything with a 'Made in China' sticker vanished, thats essentially what would happen (not really just production to the US would stop).

China is the Eastern powerhouse, they don't really need the US to function... a war with China would mark the fall of the US, I agree.

Originally posted by Liberator
China is the Eastern powerhouse, they don't really need the US to function...

thats silly

No, not really....

China is perhaps the worlds largest production facility. A lot of everyday items are developed and produced there due to relatively cheap labour policies. Her military assets technology wase is a little bit behind US tech, (Being as much of it was originally based on pre fall Soviet tech then expanded on) but because of higher manpower and better productivety, they have vastly superior numbers.

and where do the products they build go?

the chinese economy would bust almost immediatly if it had nowhere to export all its cheap crap

China's exports are not exclusively to the USA...

Many countries worldwide purchase their products, Do you beleive that they could possibly have formed that incredible level of wealth they have simply from US exportation? I don't think so...

http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/chinas_top_trading_partners

Originally posted by Parmaniac
http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9905/28/china.military/

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Do you realise that the link you just posted doesn't even cite that the US is their highest nor their post prolific trader?

Top Countries China Exports To
•United States = $162.9 (+30%)
•Hong Kong = $124.5 (+23%)
•Japan = $84 (+14%)
•South Korea = $35.1 (+26%)
•Germany = $32.5 (+37%)
•Netherlands = $25.9 (+40%)
•United Kingdom = $19 (+27%)
•Singapore = $16.6 (+31%)
•Taiwan = $16.6 (+22%)
•Russia = $13.2 (+45%)
The next list shows the countries from which China bought the most imports in 2005, with the percentage change from 2004 in brackets.

Top Countries China Imports From
•Japan = $100.5 (+9%)
•South Korea = $76.8 (+23%)
•Taiwan = $74.7 (+15%)
•United States = $48.7 (+9%)
•Germany = $30.7 (+1%)
•Malaysia = $20.1 (+11%)
•Singapore = $16.5 (+18%)
•Australia = $16.2 (+40%)
•Russia = $15.9 (+31%)
•Thailand = $14 (+21%)

Right here it says: Exports are about 3 countires higher in exportation than the US, and mor than half of the imports are higher as well... I would say their marketing abilities will remain strong without the US.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Do you realise that the link you just posted doesn't even cite that the US is their highest nor their post prolific trader?

/facepalm

ok, I'll explain the first list then. When China exports, it makes some money, when it imports, it spends money. So, the export list shows that 162.9 Billion is earned every year from exporting to America. From the numbers shown, it represents 1/3 of income from relevant trading partners. Not only does America represent the most lucrative nation which China exports to, it essentially doubles all but Hong Kong in terms of net export revenue. The bracketed number represents the amount of growth in that value since the previous year. So, not only is America the most valuable nation which China exports to, exports are growing at an extremely high rate (over 30 billion per year, and this was 2005).

Top Countries China Exports To

•United States = $162.9 (+30%)
•Hong Kong = $124.5 (+23%)
•Japan = $84 (+14%)
•South Korea = $35.1 (+26%)
•Germany = $32.5 (+37%)
•Netherlands = $25.9 (+40%)
•United Kingdom = $19 (+27%)
•Singapore = $16.6 (+31%)
•Taiwan = $16.6 (+22%)
•Russia = $13.2 (+45%)

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Right here it says: Exports are about 3 countires higher in exportation than the US, and mor than half of the imports are higher as well... I would say their marketing abilities will remain strong without the US.

man, dude, its a list, how can you not get it? no, America is the number 1 export nation from China, and an insignificant importer. This means, if America shut down trade, china would be out 30% of its trade revenue, and would only recover 48.7 billion in money it no longer spends on imports (which it would have to spend elsewhere)

Top Countries China Imports From
•Japan = $100.5 (+9%)
•South Korea = $76.8 (+23%)
•Taiwan = $74.7 (+15%)
•United States = $48.7 (+9%)
•Germany = $30.7 (+1%)
•Malaysia = $20.1 (+11%)
•Singapore = $16.5 (+18%)
•Australia = $16.2 (+40%)
•Russia = $15.9 (+31%)
•Thailand = $14 (+21%)

not to just sound like a douche, but aside from misreading two very simple lists, you missed the most important list:

China's Trade Surpluses by Country
•United States = +$114.2 ($162.9-$48.7)
•Germany = +$1.8 ($32.5-$30.7)
•Singapore = +$0.1 ($16.6-$16.5)

imports and exports by themselves say little about a nations direct impact on another's economy, but a trade surplus represents how much money China makes from trading with America in general. And, as you can see, China makes more money in surpluss from America than it does gross from most other nations. America is, in fact, the only nation with whiom trade could even be considered to be significantly profitable from on China's part.

holy ****, how did i have to explain this....

EDIT: the end of the article also goes on to say that the total chinese trade surplus was 101.8 billion, less than the total trade surplus from America. If America stoped buyin Chinese goods, they would be losing over 120 billion in trade every year, according to 2005 values.

Originally posted by inimalist
/facepalm

ok, I'll explain the first list then. When China exports, it makes some money, when it imports, it spends money. So, the export list shows that 162.9 Billion is earned every year from exporting to America. From the numbers shown, it represents 1/3 of income from relevant trading partners. Not only does America represent the most lucrative nation which China exports to, it essentially doubles all but Hong Kong in terms of net export revenue. The bracketed number represents the amount of growth in that value since the previous year. So, not only is America the most valuable nation which China exports to, exports are growing at an extremely high rate (over 30 billion per year, and this was 2005).

Top Countries China Exports To

[b]•United States = $162.9 (+30%)
•Hong Kong = $124.5 (+23%)
•Japan = $84 (+14%)
•South Korea = $35.1 (+26%)
•Germany = $32.5 (+37%)
•Netherlands = $25.9 (+40%)
•United Kingdom = $19 (+27%)
•Singapore = $16.6 (+31%)
•Taiwan = $16.6 (+22%)
•Russia = $13.2 (+45%)

man, dude, its a list, how can you not get it? no, America is the number 1 export nation from China, and an insignificant importer. This means, if America shut down trade, china would be out 30% of its trade revenue, and would only recover 48.7 billion in money it no longer spends on imports (which it would have to spend elsewhere)

Top Countries China Imports From
•Japan = $100.5 (+9%)
•South Korea = $76.8 (+23%)
•Taiwan = $74.7 (+15%)
•United States = $48.7 (+9%)
•Germany = $30.7 (+1%)
•Malaysia = $20.1 (+11%)
•Singapore = $16.5 (+18%)
•Australia = $16.2 (+40%)
•Russia = $15.9 (+31%)
•Thailand = $14 (+21%)

not to just sound like a douche, but aside from misreading two very simple lists, you missed the most important list:

China's Trade Surpluses by Country
•United States = +$114.2 ($162.9-$48.7)
•Germany = +$1.8 ($32.5-$30.7)
•Singapore = +$0.1 ($16.6-$16.5)

imports and exports by themselves say little about a nations direct impact on another's economy, but a trade surplus represents how much money China makes from trading with America in general. And, as you can see, China makes more money in surpluss from America than it does gross from most other nations. America is, in fact, the only nation with whiom trade could even be considered to be significantly profitable from on China's part.

holy ****, how did i have to explain this....

EDIT: the end of the article also goes on to say that the total chinese trade surplus was 101.8 billion, less than the total trade surplus from America. If America stoped buyin Chinese goods, they would be losing over 120 billion in trade every year, according to 2005 values. [/B]

I'm gonna say it....

PWNED!

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Originally posted by inimalist
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