Originally posted by Philosophía
That much we agree upon.You shouldn't have edited.
If Thor's high level speed wasn't dependent on his hammer, but natural like, say, Flash or Gladiators, he'd be unstoppable. And battles would be a lot less debatable/interesting. 😄
In sheer raw power, there's simply no comparison.
Originally posted by cdtm
If Thor's high level speed wasn't dependent on his hammer, but natural like, say, Flash or Gladiators, he'd be unstoppable. And battles would be a lot less debatable/interesting. 😄In sheer raw power, there's simply no comparison.
Thor's already defeated Gladiator, a bloodlusted Glads with prep time who attacked him in his mortal form first, no less.
Speed's really not an issue for Thor when he has countermeasures against it outside of his own reflexes and speed.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
gladiator also whooped thor (thor got him in the second round though but i guess that's just another example of thor's cis)you know the issue i'm talking about, gladiator embarrassed him
If it's the same issue we're talking about, it just goes to show if Gladiator can get the jump on Thor and endanger civilians nearby while bloodlusted, he can potentially defeat him. Not to mention this was back when the 60 second rule was in effect for Mjolnir. The deck was literally stacked in favor of Glad's. It was far from a clean win, imo.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
gladiator also whooped thor (thor got him in the second round though but i guess that's just another example of thor's cis)you know the issue i'm talking about, gladiator embarrassed him
The issue that started off The Reigning. Older Glads fights for his future, and stuff.
Even in that issue, Glads didn't really blitz Thor. Blitzes are very, very rare occurrences in actual comic book fights. Otherwise, Spidey never would've defeated Speed Demon and Quicksilver like he did..
That's why Thunderbolts rules.. It's one of the few comics where characters actually competently use their power sets, like in the case of Mr. X vs Quicksilver.
Tell me I wasn't the only one who thought "That's how Quicksilver should've been written all along!"
Without circumstances such as attacking Jake Olsen with heat vision, endangering Mandy, the girl who Jake was trying to catch up with, or being bloodlusted while attacking a Thor who doesn't know what the hell is going on, I can't see Gladiator replicating that good of a showing against Thor again, especially not a forum setting without plot device or PIS.
If y'all are talking about the Thor/Glads battle in "Thor v2" #34-35, then Thor is clearly superior... After he stops holding back. Granted Gladiator slapped Thor around initially, but there are external factors pertaining to the beginning of their fight which must be taken into consideration (ie. Thor protecting innocents whilst fighting, etc.)
But yeah, when Thor got serious he owned Glads with a fair amount of ease.
Originally posted by Galan007
If y'all are talking about the Thor/Glads battle in Thor v2. #34-35, then Thor is clearly superior after he stops holding back. Granted Gladiator slapped Thor around initially, but there are external factors pertaining to the beginning of their fight which must be taken into consideration (ie. Thor protecting innocents whilst fighting, etc.)But yeah, when Thor got serious he owned Glads with a fair amount of ease.
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Exactly.
Originally posted by Galan007
If y'all are talking about the Thor/Glads battle in Thor v2. #34-35, then Thor is clearly superior after he stops holding back. Granted Gladiator slapped Thor around initially, but there are external factors pertaining to the beginning of their fight which must be taken into consideration (ie. Thor protecting innocents whilst fighting, etc.)But yeah, when Thor got serious he owned Glads with a fair amount of ease.
He owned Glads after catching him off guard with an energy attack first. Energy attack from Thor can hurt anyone.. ANYONE.
You can't really say Thor's beatdown on Glads was indicative of how a "real" fight would go, any more than you can dismiss the circumstances of the first round.
Originally posted by cdtm
He owned Glads after catching him off guard with an energy attack first. Energy attack from Thor can hurt anyone.. ANYONE.You can't really say Thor's beatdown on Glads was indicative of how a "real" fight would go, any more than you can dismiss the circumstances of the first round.
I don't see how off guard Glads could have been when it was clear that after they saved the plane they were going to resume their fight. Thor even clearly stated he was about to beat that ass before he did actually beat that ass.
Said blast hurt Glads, sure, but he stood up almost right afterword, ready to go again. It was the Mjolnir bashing that did him in. Tarene just added insult to injury after the fight.
a.) Thor shouted at Gladiator for a few seconds prior to using the energy attack. So unless Glads is totally deaf, then he HAD to of known something was coming.
b.) That energy attack didn't cause much lasting harm to Glads anyway (he got up immediately after.)
c.) It was Thor's melee-hammer-attack that wtfowned Glads.
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Here's the pertinent scans:
http://img202.imageshack.us/i/thorown1.jpg/
http://img97.imageshack.us/i/thorown2.jpg/
http://img203.imageshack.us/i/thorown3.jpg/
http://img218.imageshack.us/i/thorown4.jpg/
Hell, Glads outright stated Thor was more powerful:
http://img411.imageshack.us/i/thorown5.jpg/
Originally posted by Galan007
a.) Thor shouted at Gladiator for a few seconds prior to using the energy attack. So unless Glads is totally deaf, then he HAD to of known something was coming.b.) That energy attack didn't cause much lasting harm to Glads anyway (he got up immediately after.)
c.) It was Thor's melee-hammer-attack that wtfowned Glads.
yep.
thor whoops glads everytime. sundipped supes is something different. depends on the length of the sun dip i'd guess.
Originally posted by Galan007
a.) Thor shouted at Gladiator for a few seconds prior to using the energy attack. So unless Glads is totally deaf, then he HAD to of known something was coming.b.) That energy attack didn't cause much lasting harm to Glads anyway (he got up immediately after.)
c.) It was Thor's melee-hammer-attack that wtfowned Glads.
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Here's the pertinent scans:
http://img202.imageshack.us/i/thorown1.jpg/
http://img97.imageshack.us/i/thorown2.jpg/
http://img203.imageshack.us/i/thorown3.jpg/
http://img218.imageshack.us/i/thorown4.jpg/Hell, Glads outright stated Thor was more powerful:
http://img411.imageshack.us/i/thorown5.jpg/
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Originally posted by Galan007
a.) Thor shouted at Gladiator for a few seconds prior to using the energy attack. So unless Glads is totally deaf, then he HAD to of known something was coming.b.) That energy attack didn't cause much lasting harm to Glads anyway (he got up immediately after.)
c.) It was Thor's melee-hammer-attack that wtfowned Glads.
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Here's the pertinent scans:
http://img202.imageshack.us/i/thorown1.jpg/
http://img97.imageshack.us/i/thorown2.jpg/
http://img203.imageshack.us/i/thorown3.jpg/
http://img218.imageshack.us/i/thorown4.jpg/Hell, Glads outright stated Thor was more powerful:
http://img411.imageshack.us/i/thorown5.jpg/
