Originally posted by King KandyActually it does. A marine may use special armor piercing bullets where as the Kid would fumble and use what ever is in the chamber. I recall the energies being reversed back upon the USER. Not the UN itself. Thus the IG defeated Quasar, not the UN.
No... he turned the blast back on Quasar which is stated on panel. If I can reverse bullets, it doesn't matter who fires them.
King Kandy: IG Thanos also turned back an infintesmilly miniscule manifestation of Scarlet Witch's power in Infinity Gauntlet. That somehow translates to him turning back the Omniversal Chaos Wave? Sorry, but defeating Quasar who wasn't even aware of an active incomplete IG, is about as evidentiary as an UN user nullifying a tiny fireball that an IG user created when he didn't realize he was contending with an activated UN.
The painful double-standards IG proponents use are deteriorating, but somehow still persist.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
Actually it does. A marine may use special armor piercing bullets where as the Kid would fumble and use what ever is in the chamber. I recall the energies being reversed back upon the USER. Not the UN itself. Thus the IG defeated Quasar, not the UN.
The UN only has one "bullet" though.
While skill does matter with the scope of the attack, like wiping out a single target instead of the entire universe, the nullification effect has a static power level, e.g. it either nullifies an object, or it doesn't. This would be true whether used by Galactus or Squirrel Girl.
Originally posted by cdtm
The UN only has one "bullet" though.While skill does matter with wiping out a single target instead of the entire universe, the nullification effect has a static power level, e.g. it either nullifies an object, or it doesn't. This would be true whether used by Galactus or Squirrel Girl.
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cdtm: UN nullifies an object slowly, or instantaneously, or recreates it, or nullifies it's entires past, present and future from existing. Ergo, the UN's effect is not static.
I'm tired of hearing this argument whreby destroying/recreating the entire Marvel Multiverse = to nullifying a tiny marble. Magus dealt with a tiny marble-sized expanding nullification sphere. Thatsd it. What is so hard to understand about that?
Originally posted by King Kandy
MM has two personas as explained in the comic where he kicked Beyonder's ass all over the place, his Owen Reece persona and his MM persona, and the MM has limitless power and potential... He fought "Molecule Man" in that comic.
Yeah, the Owen Reece MM and the evil MM. Kubik says Reece had limitless potential because the Beyonder and himself were purely Cube Beings. Reece on the other hand can exist without his powers, they can't because they are their powers. Hence why Kosmos was dying since her Beyonder part was removed. That's the potential Kubik brought up.
Void fought a weak minded MM that was afraid of the world. Kubik would stomp that MM in a second.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
You are incorrect. Tyrant has with stood the Power of the Un used by an idiot. Thus Quasar was an idiot and not on the level of Reed Richards. The UN has also rewritten the Multiverse with the IG gems in it. IT is more powerful as it recreated those same gems. The IG on the other hand, has not been shown to recreate the power of the UN.
Wait, so the UN used the gems to perform it's multiversal feat? TheTyrant never mentioned that in the Galactus with UN vs Lucifer thread.. (You should comment in there, too. Would be interesting to hear your opinions on whether even the UN can take someone who was basically one step beneath God..)
Wonder what would happen if someone competent tried turning the powered up version of the IG on LT..
^ cdtm: The UN wiped out and recreated the entire Marvel Multiverse, including every Infinity Gem that existed in each universe. Reed foreshadowed the destruction of the Marvel Multiver- no wait... he actually announced that the UN would obliterate the combined realities of the Multiverse.
Any insistence to the contrary can be aptly met by any one of Mr Master's many ppast posts, let alone my own.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ cdtm: The UN wiped out and recreated the entire Marvel Multiverse, including every Infinity Gem that existed in each universe. Reed foreshadowed the destruction of the Marvel Multiver- no wait... he actually announced that the UN would obliterate the combined realities of the Multiverse.Any insistence to the contrary can be aptly met by any one of Mr Master's many ppast posts, let alone my own.
Like this one?
Mr Master seems to know his stuff, but I'd still want to see his arguments as I've disagreed with his interpretations before, like his stance on Protege, and the Celestial judge that defeated him.
Browsed the thread a bit, and from the wording on this "multi-Eternity", it sounds like they're talking about the collective Eternities of each universe, and not some all powerful being called "Multi-Eternity". It even shows multiple Eternities on panel as it says this. A multi-eternity being weouldn't even make sense in the face of each universe having been established as having it's own abstracts, and 616 Eternity having been defeated several times before without touching the entire multiverse.
Originally posted by cdtm
Browsed the thread a bit, and from the wording on this "multi-Eternity", it sounds like they're talking about the collective Eternities of each universe, and not some all powerful being called "Multi-Eternity". It even shows multiple Eternities on panel as it says this. A multi-eternity being weouldn't even make sense in the face of each universe having been established as having it's own abstracts, and 616 Eternity having been defeated several times before without touching the entire multiverse.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingSo when I go to another board that's called hiding? I am a force on which ever board I decide to go to whereas you are the invisible man.
Wasn't it you who kicked his ass so badly that he left this forum and hid over at herochat for at least a week? That was an enjoyable week.
Originally posted by King KandyI want wwk to send em. I take it as a quan victory. Void wins.
I'm not going to pay for ten exotic animals that might die en-route. I guess this will remain one of the unsolved mysteries of the universe.So, RKT vs Void? How about that?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0The writer backed up Void is physically unbeatable if he wants to come back so someone like Odin goes down. Things change there, tex.
quanchi112: How is your avoiding my deconstruction of your self-serving logic off-topic? You being wrong and insisting with your hypocritical logic is on-topic. Try remedying how you literally announced a month ago that Void matching Odin's level would build the case that he beats Thanos, and you somehow backtracking away from that prediction -- even when YOU (and you alone) swear Void actually surpasses Odin to justify Void defeating RKT -- this atrocious quaneuver of your's doesn't reveal how transparent your self-serving arguments are? You're not fooling anybody. Had you any sort of legitimate argument, it is utterly stripped of any credibility when you persist with such self-inflicted double standards. That's on-topic. And unfortunately for you (but quite predictably) it is your defining characteristic.And unfortunately for the rest of us participating in this thread, you decided to spew tyour particular brand of self-serving drivel in countless threads, e.g. This one.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingYou really pay attention to me. Creepy.
Nah, it was between that Sentrty Vs Dr Strangefate and that UN Vs Infinity Gauntlet thread. Those were the last two he debated in. His last post was in the UN Vs IG.
Originally posted by King KandyAn incomplete ig at that.
The IG defeated the UN.
Originally posted by King KandyExactly.
No... he turned the blast back on Quasar which is stated on panel. If I can reverse bullets, it doesn't matter who fires them.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0It can manipulate it's energies no matter how big or small and it can see what the opposition does before it actually occurs so the un can never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever beat the ig.
King Kandy: IG Thanos also turned back an infintesmilly miniscule manifestation of Scarlet Witch's power in Infinity Gauntlet. That somehow translates to him turning back the Omniversal Chaos Wave? Sorry, but defeating Quasar who wasn't even aware of an active incomplete IG, is about as evidentiary as an UN user nullifying a tiny fireball that an IG user created when he didn't realize he was contending with an activated UN.The painful double-standards IG proponents use are deteriorating, but somehow still persist.
^ Its clear you're still trying to deflect from the actual argument being made: Which artifact is more powerful? The UN is, due to its ability to destroy and recreate the Marvel Multiverse instantaneously on-panel. The only thing the IG ever achieved, was the supplanting of 616 Eternity, a patently far inferior demonstration of power. The argument was never about which artifact was more useful in a fight. Frankly, Maelstrom bonded with Anomaly was superior to Thanos with IG in a fight due to his immunity to its power and prescience. Doesn't mean Maelstrom was more powerful than the IG. Next time stick to the argument being made. But then again, we all know whyy you're avoiding the real argument, because you can't accept the inevitability of how your position's been cornered.
cdtm: If you're looking at the correct panel, you'll note that there is one Eternity for every universe in the Marvel Multiverse. That includes a singular 616 Et
ernity for the 616 universe. The 616 Eternity doesn't represent anyth
ing more than the 616 universe. The combined Eternities you see floatin
g around in that one panel coalesce as one conceptual entity, Multi-Eternity.
And it was the Multi-Eternity that was threatened by Abraxas. It was the combined realities of the Multiverse that was threatened by the entrance of the UN into the crisis, as announced by Reed himself. It was the Marvel Multiverse that was disaligned and destroyed/recreated by the UN. There is no mincing over the words here.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0In a direct comparison the ig was clearly more powerful than the un. It can manipulate the very energies of the un itself and was created from the very being who birthed the universe.
^ Its clear you're still trying to deflect from the actual argument being made: Which artifact is more powerful? The UN is, due to its ability to destroy and recreate the Marvel Multiverse instantaneously on-panel. The only thing the IG ever achieved, was the supplanting of 616 Eternity, a patently far inferior demonstration of power. The argument was never about which artifact was more useful in a fight. Frankly, Maelstrom bonded with Anomaly was superior to Thanos with IG in a fight due to his immunity to its power and prescience. Doesn't mean Maelstrom was more powerful than the IG. Next time stick to the argument being made. But then again, we all know whyy you're avoiding the real argument, because you can't accept the inevitability of how your position's been cornered.cdtm: If you're looking at the correct panel, you'll note that there is one Eternity for every universe in the Marvel Multiverse. That includes a singular 616 Et
ernity for the 616 universe. The 616 Eternity doesn't represent anyth
ing more than the 616 universe. The combined Eternities you see floatin
g around in that one panel coalesce as one conceptual entity, Multi-Eternity.And it was the Multi-Eternity that was threatened by Abraxas. It was the combined realities of the Multiverse that was threatened by the entrance of the UN into the crisis, as announced by Reed himself. It was the Marvel Multiverse that was disaligned and destroyed/recreated by the UN. There is no mincing over the words here.
Maelstrom was no more immune than Eternity. Maelstrom was killed by far less and we can tell the ig can replicate his death or the events that caused him to die with but a thought. The ig is clearly more powerful as a writer compared the two whereas the un had a nice feat but nothing can be stated to lead that this feat trumps an on panel comparison just like strength feats don't change where Hulk and Thor stand when it comes to strength.
Not this again....
As referenced before.... The Eternity in the Abraxas saga is THE SAME Eternity that Thanos beat with the IG. They are two different ones. If you call the one in Abraxas Multi-Eternity then that is the same one Thanos beat. Furthermore, we have references to 616 Eternity being the strongest of all Eternities which makes sense being that the 616 Universe is the cornerstone of all of Marvel.
Further.... Quasar isn't an incompetent user as some claim.. that is far far from the truth. He's no Morg and is very in touch with the Universe and what is going on around it. Starlin made it CRYSTAL CLEAR which is the more powerful object in a vs fight... Quasar finds out the word Ultimate has little meaning in this fight.... With but a GESTURE the IG turns the energies back on its user. That is how easy it was to wtf pwn the UN... with but a gesture. Those lines as well as the plain narration and depiction make it clear which the writer thought was more powerful in a fight. Which when using logic it's plain as day why... The IG is greater in scope.. the UN greater in scale.. The UN is superior in fewer areas than the IG. Fact. Thus it's crystal clear why the IG is superior in more ways and in a vs fight without a doubt. What does the UN have over the IG.. One feat in One specific area... nullification... Whoa... yippee.
Also another misconception is that Maelstrom did something impressive to Thanos with the IG... He did nothing... he didn't defeat Thanos nor hurt Thanos... he withstood one blast from Thanos. That's it. Yet this continues to be brought up as proof of something. Maelstrom made it clear he was no match for Thanos with the IG... again narration clears up who is more powerful.
Also... any proof that the UN erasing the Multiverse... erased the IG and recreated them. Any proof of this.. Nope. The fact is The IB created the gems from his power.. a power which he created the Multiverse with... hmmmm it seems that the IG is the power behind the UN... not the other way around.
For the last time ODG... prove that something is nullified with less potency when it's a tiny sphere or a giant sphere. We've seen a tiny sphere erase the concept of death across the multiverse.. a smaller sphere than the one that attacked Magus. Size doesn't matter.. the potency of the nullification process remains the same... There are different options... i.e just erasing or erasing and recreating... size of the sphere etc etc. Show one ounce of proof that the nullification potency varies... You can't.
Point is... The IG is superior in more ways and in a vs match to the UN. Period.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYou pwned odg very badly.
Not this again....As referenced before.... The Eternity in the Abraxas saga is THE SAME Eternity that Thanos beat with the IG. They are two different ones. If you call the one in Abraxas Multi-Eternity then that is the same one Thanos beat. Furthermore, we have references to 616 Eternity being the strongest of all Eternities which makes sense being that the 616 Universe is the cornerstone of all of Marvel.
Further.... Quasar isn't an incompetent user as some claim.. that is far far from the truth. He's no Morg and is very in touch with the Universe and what is going on around it. Starlin made it CRYSTAL CLEAR which is the more powerful object in a vs fight... Quasar finds out the word Ultimate has little meaning in this fight.... With but a GESTURE the IG turns the energies back on its user. That is how easy it was to wtf pwn the UN... with but a gesture. Those lines as well as the plain narration and depiction make it clear which the writer thought was more powerful in a fight. Which when using logic it's plain as day why... The IG is greater in scope.. the UN greater in scale.. The UN is superior in fewer areas than the IG. Fact. Thus it's crystal clear why the IG is superior in more ways and in a vs fight without a doubt. What does the UN have over the IG.. One feat in One specific area... nullification... Whoa... yippee.
Also another misconception is that Maelstrom did something impressive to Thanos with the IG... He did nothing... he didn't defeat Thanos nor hurt Thanos... he withstood one blast from Thanos. That's it. Yet this continues to be brought up as proof of something. Maelstrom made it clear he was no match for Thanos with the IG... again narration clears up who is more powerful.
Also... any proof that the UN erasing the Multiverse... erased the IG and recreated them. Any proof of this.. Nope. The fact is The IB created the gems from his power.. a power which he created the Multiverse with... hmmmm it seems that the IG is the power behind the UN... not the other way around.
For the last time ODG... prove that something is nullified with less potency when it's a tiny sphere or a giant sphere. We've seen a tiny sphere erase the concept of death across the multiverse.. a smaller sphere than the one that attacked Magus. Size doesn't matter.. the potency of the nullification process remains the same... There are different options... i.e just erasing or erasing and recreating... size of the sphere etc etc. Show one ounce of proof that the nullification potency varies... You can't.
Point is... The IG is superior in more ways and in a vs match to the UN. Period.