ban mido & vs supernovas

Originally posted by dw6xl
i stil think during and after the bug arc ban takes this

He simply doesn't have the damage output to win. These guys take hits a lot stronger than Ban's snakebites and in large number. Heck, they take cannon ball hits and keep coming no prob.

Zoro can block shots from a guy who slices big buildings in half without problem, and he's not one of the stronger supernovas.

He and Luffy punched through a tidal wave this big with a sword slash and literal punching.

Ban's snakebite is often stated to have a strength of 200 kgf. It gets stronger over time, sure, but not massively until the end. What the OP characters did there is *probably* thousands of times stronger than that.

his arm's strength can lead to many misconceptions. His base gripping strength without even using his snake-arm chant or calling upon the true power of his Asclepius-curse is immense. Ban stopped a truck from running into him at considerable speed with just his hand and the front of that lorry driver in upon itself. Assuming that your average truck weighs around 7 to 12 tons and moving at the maximum allowed speed on an open road (lets assume 50 miles per hour), that far exceeds a force of only 200 Kilograms, especially since Ban effortlessly stopped the lorry flat in its tracks

here's a testament to ban's speed
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v06/c001.1/33.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v06/c001.1/34.html

he speedblitzes a guy atleast 10 meters away so fast that it doesnt look like he moved a inch at all nor could the guy see him moving or tell when did he move

Originally posted by dw6xl
here's a testament to ban's speed
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v06/c001.1/33.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v06/c001.1/34.html

he speedblitzes a guy atleast 10 meters away so fast that it doesnt look like he moved a inch at all nor could the guy see him moving or tell when did he move

this is proof enough that he speedblitzs

Yea, the truck thing's a lot less strength than some of the examples I linked. Hundreds to thousands of tons, not dozens.

Originally posted by amano uchiha
this is proof enough that he speedblitzs

Plenty of OP characters have 'disappear from sight' speed over that kind of distance, that won't blitz them.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, the truck thing's a lot less strength than some of the examples I linked. Hundreds to thousands of tons, not dozens.

Plenty of OP characters have 'disappear from sight' speed over that kind of distance, that won't blitz them.

lets see some scans bcuz i highly doubt that

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, the truck thing's a lot less strength than some of the examples I linked. Hundreds to thousands of tons, not dozens.

Plenty of OP characters have 'disappear from sight' speed over that kind of distance, that won't blitz them.

he did far more than disappear..matterfact he didnt disappear he blitzes a guy and it looks like he didnt move at all....show me somethin similar from OP

Originally posted by amano uchiha
lets see some scans bcuz i highly doubt that

You really don't know much One Piece do you? Here's Captain Kuro's, ultimate technique, whereup he moves so fast and slices opponents and objects apart left and right (so fast he can't control it, slicing at random), farther apart than the Infinity Fortress guy Ban took out (the first guy and the rock wall are, what, maybe 60 feet apart? More total distance than Ban's move). In his technique, he moves continuously and never becomes visible.

Note the chapter number- 38. He is the third opponent they face and not a significant threat, the fight doesn't last too long and the good guys aren't seriously injured or pushed very hard. Luffy is fast enough to catch and KO him.

Around chapter 380, Luffy gets his *own* super speed technique, a fair bit faster than that one, only with full control.

dw6xl
he did far more than disappear..matterfact he didnt disappear he blitzes a guy and it looks like he didnt move at all....show me somethin similar from OP

Ok. Something to note about the target of this one, he too has super speed (and has the offensive technique to piece with his finger as fast as a bullet), and Luffy attacks him there, then from behind at similar distance.

So Luffy hit the guy and circled around him faster than he could tell what's going on to appear at the same distance behind him and strike again.

And he's an example of the opponent's speed and power, briefly disappearing from sight and then hitting the ground hard enough to create a huge crater, and Luffy was fast enough to avoid it without using his own superspeed technique.

At the least Luffy is clearly fast enough to not be blitzed by Ban's speed.

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I think you two aren't very familiar with One Piece's power level.

Superspeed techniques are dead common in OP, and as for strength, well, here's a character throwing an iron ball bigger than a ship. Probably tens of thousands of tons. And here's one who punches most of an island in half (and Luffy beat up that character).

If a strong OP character punched a truck, there wouldn't be a truck any more.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v06/c001.1/44.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v06/c001.1/45.html

Unbreakable harnesses broken. 😖hifty: lol

what are you serious? in each of those scans they all disappeared from sight showing you that they attacked while ban moved so fast you couldnt tell when or where he was attacking from all it looked like was he was sittin on a wall but in reality he was moving so fast to attack and back to his original spot that he didnt disappear...and that not even midway through the series its volume 10

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v29/c005/16.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v29/c005/17.html
here you see akabane blitzing a guy to pieces so fast that his enemy didnt even kno he was already cut to pieces

When Ban fought Fudo , Fudo saw Ban on the ground cut up and dead through his precognition . 3 seconds later , Ban was on the ground in that exact same way.
http://www.freewebs.com/lionel818/undefined/GetBackers_vol09_168%5BBYAAAH%5D.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/lionel818/undefined/GetBackers_vol09_188%5BBYAAAH%5D.jpg

However, it's a bit more complicated than that and pay attention to what had happened in that fight. This means, within the time frame of 2 seconds, Raitei and Akabane had a heated battle to the death. Because Fudo 's precognition has no blind spots, that means that the estimated time that they fought was around 2 to 3 seconds.Once Ban caught Raitei's punch, and Jackal stabbed him, Ban was on the ground in the exact way that Fudo pictured in his vision! Which means, Ban kicked Fudo 's butt so damn fast that it was uncomprehending.
http://www.freewebs.com/lionel818/undefined/GetBackers_vol10_040-041%5BBYAAAH%5D.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/lionel818/undefined/GetBackers_vol10_043%5BBYAAAH%5D.jpg

The thing is, Oda has stated (in a roundabout way) that Luffy is as fast normally (just running around) as Captain Kuro, who moves so fast he's invisible. Gear 2nd then takes him up to being so fast he can appear invisible to someone as fast as Kuro. Thats hell'a fast. 😐

Should use after Ban gets stabbed. He moves away from that spot fast enough everybody in the room including Akabane assume he used the evil eye to make it look like he was stabbed, and laying on the ground.

Originally posted by dw6xl
what are you serious? in each of those scans they all disappeared from sight showing you that they attacked while ban moved so fast you couldnt tell when or where he was attacking from all it looked like was he was sittin on a wall but in reality he was moving so fast to attack and back to his original spot that he didnt disappear...and that not even midway through the series its volume 10

Yea, the Captain Kuro thing was incredibly early on too, and yet Luffy was fast enough to catch him when he was moving so fast no-one could see him.

here you see akabane blitzing a guy to pieces so fast that his enemy didnt even kno he was already cut to pieces

Yes, yes I have.

That's one of the signature moves of Brook, who's slower than Luffy. He attacks an enemy or group of enemies, and three seconds later, they all fall over sliced open.

Which means, Ban kicked Fudo 's butt so damn fast that it was uncomprehending.

Fudo simply didn't have the physical ability to defend against Ban's snakebite attack.

Everyone else in that battle was faster and stronger than he was, and IMO could do the same. Fudo's physical abilities were a fair bit lesser, the foresight simply let him keep up with stronger people... to a point.

Btw, Luffy has also beaten up people who can sense the future by outspeeding and outpowering them.

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There's something you're missing in the argument.

You've got half the picture, that is, "Ban Mido is fast," which I know and agree with, Ban Mido is indeed fast.

But the other half is, "Luffy and One Piece characters are also fast."

Posting more Ban speed feats doesn't suddenly make Luffy or other OP characters slower.

Luffy and the others are at a high speed level as well, enough that they won't be overwhelmed, which combined with high strength, toughness, and devil fruit powers, puts them in a pretty good spot in this fight.

You're assuming I don't know what Ban Mido can do, but I'm saying I agree with your assessment of his powers, it's just the OP speed is at least in the same general league.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, the Captain Kuro thing was incredibly early on too, and yet Luffy was fast enough to catch him when he was moving so fast no-one could see him.

Yes, yes I have.

That's one of the signature moves of Brook, who's slower than Luffy. He attacks an enemy or group of enemies, and three seconds later, they all fall over sliced open.

Fudo simply didn't have the physical ability to defend against Ban's snakebite attack.

Everyone else in that battle was faster and stronger than he was, and IMO could do the same. Fudo's physical abilities were a fair bit lesser, the foresight simply let him keep up with stronger people... to a point.

Btw, Luffy has also beaten up people who can sense the future by outspeeding and outpowering them.

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There's something you're missing in the argument.

You've got half the picture, that is, "Ban Mido is fast," which I know and agree with, Ban Mido is indeed fast.

But the other half is, "Luffy and One Piece characters are also fast."

Posting more Ban speed feats doesn't suddenly make Luffy or other OP characters slower.

Luffy and the others are at a high speed level as well, enough that they won't be overwhelmed, which combined with high strength, toughness, and devil fruit powers, puts them in a pretty good spot in this fight.

You're assuming I don't know what Ban Mido can do, but I'm saying I agree with your assessment of his powers, it's just the OP speed is at least in the same general league.

your not understanding, yeah that was very fast speed by the captain but he still disappeared from sight meaning they saw him move from where he was where as nobody but shido saw ban move from his position

can i see scans of brook doing the same to an opponent?

and by powerscailing that monster that akabane was far from weak..he was able to force kazuki and his friends to retreat from battle

its not the point of fudo's abilities its the fact that within 3 seconds ban blitz someone who could see in the future and made it in time to stop akabane and ginji's attacks (and they are very fast) who was on another floor and then got up, cleaned his wounds off, pull a cigarette out and leaned on the wall all in a instant making even akabane believe that he used the jagan...their speed is not on the same level.....oh there was also a speed calc for getbackers i can post the link to it if you want

Originally posted by dw6xl
your not understanding, yeah that was very fast speed by the captain but he still disappeared from sight meaning they saw him move from where he was where as nobody but shido saw ban move from his position

So? What's more impressive about moving forward and back 10 meters without being seen in between than moving 30 meters without being seen in between? It's not the exact same situation but the speed's comparable.

Regardless of who's faster, OP characters definitely have the speed to react to that kind of speed in any case.

can i see scans of brook doing the same to an opponent?

The clearest case is actually Brook's zombie, Ryuuma:
The attack, The effect, The explanation

Ryuuma's made from Brook's shadows and skills, and Zoro beat him.

and by powerscailing that monster that akabane was far from weak..

No, I ment Fudo was weak, with only his foresight letting him put up a fight at all.

Luffy'd stomp Fudo.

their speed is not on the same level.....

It is of a level to not have to worry about being blitz. only the 'fool Akabane and Ginji' feat is something that OP doesn't either have or have a better version of with more distance travelled in the same time.

http://lionel818.webs.com/undefined/GetBackers_vol13_176%5BBYAAAH%5D.jpg
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/139/l_e825953def354c2fa8b8a48f87d2c972.jpg
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/139/l_91390a64948047dcb2f11c1a4f9c2260.jpg
not too sure if this proves they are ftl but it proves that ppl's attacks are lightspeed

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/139/l_4c491ca7fa2d4f5683d12f3c770180fc.jpg

as you see, he was about to swing his blade at the speed of light to use another black hole

but

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/130/l_14d035b461c4444f88d95d9c0782fe56.jpg

these two used willpower to become unparalyzed and blitzed over there to stop the swing of the blade and the attack... They could not have intercepted the swing if they werent faster that light or atleast lightspeed

While they say 'lightspeed' it's obviously moving anything but.

Manga writers seem to have this odd impression that lightspeed is around 200mph from the way they use it.

why isnt it lightspeed? and where did you come up with the calculation of 200 mph?....smh i hate it when someone explains how his attack works it gets downplayed....can you prove that it isnt lightspeed?....all though i do understand what you mean

this is very interesting.....