Originally posted by dmills
So they're going to hide in an invisible bubble? LULZ! Last time I checked there was still gravity present, unless you're telling me it's a zero-g invisa bubble. He'll turn them into puddles of goo.
That's exactly what I'm telling you. The last time I checked, his gravimetric attacks were still beams that are still going to have to pass through Skrull's force field. He had trouble fighting Darkhawk. He ain't turning them into bubbles when spikes rip from inside his body.
Originally posted by dmills
The helmet protects his mind from psionic/exotic energy attacks. And it's not as if he's going to stand there and let him do it. He's bloodlusted. He'll blitz them before they can blink.
His helmet may or may not prevent against hyperspace based attacks but the rest of his body is still vulnerable to being ripped apart by invisible constructs. Let's see him fight invisible foes while his heart burst and his spine cracks.
Originally posted by the ninjak
WorldMind supplies on the fly counter measures at superfast speeds.
He's not superman with light speed movement. He's a battering ram with that speed. Slamming into invisible force fields doesn't help you win a fight.
If SS tried to force wall Nova he would see it and evade it at insane speeds.
See an inivisble force field? Oh right.
SS can't put a bubble in the head of someone he can't see clearly.If SS resorts to using his forcefields to protect himself that's when the crushing gravity manipulation begins....not like it hadn't already during his unsuccessful offensive strikes.
Gravity what? You mean his beams that he has to concentrate and aim at? You make it sound as if he turns on some button and the area would be attack while he's free to zoom about. Nova gets into as many fist fights as these guys. Let's not try and act like he's going to stay a safe distance while blasting his opponents. He's going to have to slow down to concentrate his attacks. Skrull puts a few spikes bubble inside of him and he's going to be struggling to do anything.
Ronan has had such bad showings lately that he doesn't even factor in this fight.Nova wins. He is simply out of their league. And I'm surprised some of you don't see it.
He doesn't? Which one? When had got team tagged by the Imperial Guard like 3 to 1? Ronan was more than enough to take on Ravenous through most of Annihilation. Nova isn't winning here when he's got two invisible opponents coming after him. The guy isn't Superman or Flash.
Everyone in the thread is bloodlusted, not just RR. Ronan and SS pack a lot of power and have effective area attacks to tag him no matter where he is, countering his superior speed. SS can just fill the whole space arround them with spiked bubbles and expand them all at once. Ronan has omnidirectional energy attacks.
On the defensive side, they both have force-fields and are naturally durable beyond that. As WWK mentioned, the beams apparently behave like normal energy blasts and can be stopped by force-fields, having to break through them to hit target.
His best chance is to blitz immediatelly and go for the kill, but I've always been skeptical of the immediate lethal blitz argument. Even assuming a blitz before shields are raised, the team would have some chances of survival until they can react. A creature with mr fantastic elasticity and skrull shapeshifting would be harder to kill through crushing. Ronan is also tough and can manipulate gravity himself, albeit to an inferior degree than Nova.
He is superior to either of them, but I dont think the difference is big enough for him to crush them both.
Nova would tear through them both like they weren't even there. Bloodlusted? Nova will kill them both so fast they wont even know the fight has started. Considering this was the same dude who survived the direct blast from galactus's little tantrum while keeping aside some power to generate a forcefield around Ms Marvel and Peter Quinn from the same intense blast, I sincerely doubt that there is anything they can do to Nova that would seriously harm him. Their best bet is to have the SS create a forcefield around his brain and squeeze. And of course, that's not going to happen because unless he is the pheonix, he wont be able to bring about concentration intense enough to catch and maintain a forcefield around the brain of someone as fast as Nova.
Also, keep in mind that when one other Nova Centurion was created by the worldmind, she was told to go and fight Nova. Nova as the nova prime could have killed her with one direct blast, but with the worldmind's help, a simple Nova Centurion was able to be guided by the worldmind into barely being hit once. I think Richard only got a glancing shot, and invariably lost the fight to someone who it was stated was literally `1/1000 of his own level of power.
Do you seriously think that If Richard were to use all the resources available to him, i e, the guidance of the Worldmind if things get tough, that he wont be able to kill them? He would tear them both new assholes.