Out of curiosity, when was the last time Darkseid did something above what one Top Tier or another could do?
From what I've seen, physically speaking, his been brought down to Top Tier level and the Omega Effect is well, the Omega Effect. Of course I've been reading most of Darkseid's fights with Superman recently so I'm not very objective at the moment when it comes to Darkseid. 😬
If his at his higher end levels, he would win. The guy Superman has punked loses.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Out of curiosity, when was the last time Darkseid did something above what one Top Tier or another could do?From what I've seen, physically speaking, his been brought down to Top Tier level and the Omega Effect is well, the Omega Effect. Of course I've been reading most of Darkseid's fights with Superman recently so I'm not very objective at the moment when it comes to Darkseid. 😬
If his at his higher end levels, he would win. The guy Superman has punked loses.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Why do some people think Superman's victories are interchangeable for all High Heralds?
They aren't. However they do give us an understanding as to how a being on Superman's level physically who can hit nearly as hard as him on top of being more versatile would do against an opponent that Superman has straight up just beaten down. Superman might be physically above Beta Ray Bill but the gap isn't that large that Stormbreaker etc. won't make up for it.
Darkseid has basically been a Class 100 with beams of energy coming out of his eyes and hands against Superman recently from what I've seen. That Darkseid can lose to Bill.
If I see Thor beating a character up in a brawl, I'll sure as hell use that as evidence that Superman can do the same under those circumstances (If there are any.).
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
They aren't. However they do give us an understanding as to how a being on Superman's level physically who can hit nearly as hard as him on top of being more versatile would do against an opponent that Superman has straight up just beaten down. Superman might be physically above Beta Ray Bill but the gap isn't that large that Stormbreaker etc. won't make up for it.Darkseid has basically been a Class 100 with beams of heat coming out of his eyes and hands against Superman recently.
If I see Thor beating a character up in a brawl, I'll sure as hell use that as evidence that Superman can do the same under those circumstances (If there are any.).
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Even when brawling Superman is hundreds of times faster than Thor so the comparison doesn't fly.
Lol.
Because Superman in his "I'll fight you head on." mode is so well known for his amazing usage of super speed.
The only notable uses of super speed that Clark has used recently against Darkseid that I can think off is to circle Darkseid and force the Omega Effect to strike him. Bill doesn't need to rely on such a tactic.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol.Because Superman in his "I'll fight you head on." mode is so well known for his amazing usage of super speed.
The only notable uses of super speed that Clark has used recently against Darkseid that I can think off is to circle Darkseid and force the Omega Effect to strike him. Bill doesn't need to rely on such a tactic.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor has a hammer which can deflect his beams without having to resort to flying around to get them to hit Darkseid in the face.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Why do some people think Superman's victories are interchangeable for all High Heralds?
why do we consider Superman a "high herald" if he can achieve thing other high heralds cannot dream about then?
DS should be easily above the likes of Thor, Surfer, Hal Jordan etc which are the cream of the High Herald list.
If Superman can casually beat him let's move him a tier up and maybe that will save us from some spite threads
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusOr you know, maybe, Superman steps it up when he needs to, and is a lot more powerful than people give him credit for.
Out of curiosity, when was the last time Darkseid did something above what one Top Tier or another could do?From what I've seen, physically speaking, his been brought down to Top Tier level and the Omega Effect is well, the Omega Effect. Of course I've been reading most of Darkseid's fights with Superman recently so I'm not very objective at the moment when it comes to Darkseid. 😬
If his at his higher end levels, he would win. The guy Superman has punked loses.