1. qui-gon wasnt a council member.
2. obi-wan stating he could have been a council member means nothing
2. even if he was a council member, combat proficiency is not a prerequisite for joining the council, which is why supposed badasses become battle masters while clowns like coleman trebor become council members.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
1. qui-gon wasnt a council member.
2. obi-wan stating he could have been a council member means nothing
2. even if he was a council member, combat proficiency is not a prerequisite for joining the council, which is why supposed badasses become battle masters while clowns like coleman trebor become council members.
1-Wookiepedia states he was nominated twice to be on the council, effectively granting him that status.
2- w/e
3- You've yet to prove he wasn't a proficient duelist. Being on par with Windu is huge, albeit TPM Windu.
1. Being nominated does not a council member make.
2. Being a council member means nothing in terms of skill.
3. He was not on par with TPM Windu. We don't know what manifestation of mace he was on par with.Could have been 20 year old Mace (which would have been like 30 year old QGJ). That particular insight into his sparring ability doesn't mean anything in terms of debating, since it isn't quantifiable.
Originally posted by Shoes
1-Wookiepedia states he was nominated twice to be on the council, effectively granting him that status.
2- w/e
3- You've yet to prove he wasn't a proficient duelist. Being on par with Windu is huge, albeit TPM Windu.
1. wookiepedia can suck it and being nominated is not the same as actually being put on the council. there is no try there is do or do not.
2. damn skippy. >\
3. that is stoopid and dumb like your face, i dont need to prove that he wasnt a great swordsmen because i never said that he wasnt, only that your reasons for thinking he is are lame and unacceptable. try harder
@Ms. Marvel:
Qui Gon WAS a great duelist though.
I'm pretty sure I remember there being several quotes in his favor.
He kept up with Darth Maul, who beat Anoon, who's saber skills were "second to none (probably not literally, but still impressive)".
He would stalemate TPM Mace in sparring matches.
Obi Wan said that Qui Gon would've been on the Council, but he often disagreed with the Council.
Originally posted by Galan007
Did we ever figure out where exactly this was mentioned? Because as I recall, no one was ever able to provide the source of that statement.
That source was never provided. At least the TPM version. If I remember correctly there was a source-book that confirmed it at SOME POINT, but that point wasn't specified.
Originally posted by truejediThat's what I thought. However, I have never seen any canon source (at all) which states Qui-Gon=Mace. The source Wookie cites for that statement is The New Essential Guide to Characters - but I have already posted Qui-Gon AND Mace's bios from that book, and neither mentions Qui-Gon being Mace's equal.
That source was never provided. At least the TPM version.If I remember correctly there was a source-book that confirmed it at SOME POINT, but that point wasn't specified.
So until something solid is posted to back up the statement in question, then I will continue to completely disregard it as any sort of permissible evidence.
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I thought shoes or Darth Martin did that. The quote was something along the lines of "only two, Yoda and Qui-Gon-Jinn had ever bested him."
Which really established NOTHING in terms of QGJ actually being as good as Mace. If he beat him once, that doesn't really mean anything. We would need to know how many times they actually sparred, and the time period was never mentioned. They had both been in the jedi order together for at least 40 years.
Originally posted by truejediThe quote I believe you're referring to came from Mace's entry in the Power of the Jedi Sourcebook. If so, it didn't say anything about Qui-Gon stalemating/beating Mace. It said Dooku and Yoda were the only fellas to ever best him (at an unknown point in time, mind you.)
I thought shoes or Darth Martin did that. The quote was something along the lines of "only two, Yoda and Qui-Gon-Jinn had ever bested him."Which really established NOTHING in terms of QGJ actually being as good as Mace. If he beat him once, that doesn't really mean anything. We would need to know how many times they actually sparred, and the time period was never mentioned. They had both been in the jedi order together for at least 40 years.