firestorm vs juggernaut

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firestorm vs juggernaut

juggernaut vs each firestorm incarnation (one after the other, juggernaut needs no rest)

lightyeargee Restricted

One Firestorm should be enough. Any of them.

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you think they'd be able to transmute him?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Every version of FS wins.

BFR, baby! 😉

lightyeargee Restricted

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you think they'd be able to transmute him?

No. But they should be able to turn the air he is breathing into something to knock him out. Or Turn his suit into adamantium effectively making him a statue. Or Teleporting him off the planet. I think one Firestorm can even force someone to merge with him.

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minus bfr cause that's a given

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

^ Then there's really nothing any version of FS can do to harm Juggy.

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damn, it's that bleak?

lightyeargee Restricted

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Then there's really nothing any version of FS can do to harm Juggy.
I thought this was just a fight. Why can't they do the things I said they could do like knock him out or immobilize him? Or Merge him into the matrix?

Mindset Senior Member

Juggs doesn't need to breathe.

I doubt knock out gas would work anyway.

Adamantium thing should work, though.

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most likely inertron cause of the whole "adamani...what?" thing

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by psycho gundam
damn, it's that bleak?
Well you DID pick one of THE most invulnerable characters in comics to put FS up against, lol. Imo, his only real option in stopping Juggy would be to encase him in some type of unbreakable substance... But I'm not quite sure what 'unbreakable' DC element FS has knowledge of..? The only one that comes to mind is Promethium - but Im not even sure that'd hold for long.

mmm

Originally posted by lightyeargee
I thought this was just a fight. Why can't they do the things I said they could do like knock him out or immobilize him? Or Merge him into the matrix?
FS doesn't possess enough power to KO Juggy -- hardly any non-telepath does. FS has never merged a magical being into the Matrix, so I am not willing to say he could do so with Juggy.

Immobilization seems to be his best bet.

lightyeargee Restricted

Originally posted by Galan007
Well you DID pick one of THE most invulnerable characters in comics to put FS up against, lol. Imo, his only real option in stopping Juggy would be to encase him in some type of unbreakable substance... But I'm not quite sure what 'unbreakable' DC element FS has knowledge of..? The only one that comes to mind is Promethium - but Im not even sure that'd hold for long.

mmm

FS doesn't possess enough power to KO Juggy -- hardly any non-telepath does. FS has never merged a magical being into the Matrix, so I am not willing to say he could do so with Juggy.

Immobilization seems to be his best bet.


Firestorm makes up substances too. Like when he caged Thor. Just an unbreakable quantum field of some kind.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

^ I thought of the quantum containment field, but a.) it was entirely undefined. Yes it held Thor for the single panel in which it was used, but we don't know how long it could have kept holding him -- much less Juggy. b.) FS has only used the aforementioned ability that one time. Thus there are no other ways to gauge it. c.) JLA/Avengers was a screwy crossover where powersets are concerned. For instance, a single blast of Iron Man's repulsors were sufficient to down Superman (which is ridiculous.)

lightyeargee Restricted

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I thought of the quantum containment field, but a.) it was entirely undefined. Yes it held Thor for the single panel in which it was used, but we don't know how long it could have kept holding him -- much less Juggy. b.) FS has only used the aforementioned ability that one time. Thus there are no other ways to gauge it. c.) JLA/Avengers was a screwy crossover where powersets are concerned. For instance, a single blast of Iron Man's repulsors were sufficient to down Superman (which is ridiculous.)
That might have had to do with Iron Man having a mother box. But I think Thor is offensively more powerful than Juggernaught. So if it held Thor, it would Hold Juggy. Plus why not just turn the ground Juggs walks on into some kind of smooshy non adhesive substance. He'd just be stuck. The New Warriors did it to him with some melted Steel. He couldn't even move as he had nothing to push against really.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

^ It was never mentioned that IM's powers were altered. Anyhow, I think having FS transmute the battlefield into something slippery so Juggy couldn't move, is digging kind of deep... Reminds me of a Looney Tunes sketch.

lightyeargee Restricted

Originally posted by Galan007
^ It was never mentioned that IM's powers were altered. Anyhow, I think having FS transmute the battlefield into something slippery so Juggy couldn't move, is digging kind of deep... Reminds me of a Looney Tunes sketch.
Didn't he do something ridiculous like that when he fought Orion?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Didn't he do something ridiculous like that when he fought Orion?
He didn't do anything like that.

He did own Orion via a lead weight and titanium restraints, though.

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Originally posted by Galan007
^ It was never mentioned that IM's powers were altered. Anyhow, I think having FS transmute the battlefield into something slippery so Juggy couldn't move, is digging kind of deep... Reminds me of a Looney Tunes sketch.
spider-man did it

marwash22 HELL YEAH.

aren't they trying to beat him, not trap him?