Originally posted by lightyeargee
Mr. Miracle already had God powers. And he didnt' do anything other new Gods haven't done. Orion did the same thing in his series. And Orion and Darkseid did the same thing when they fought across the cosmos.
Originally posted by King KandyAnd you are missing something, Mr. Miracle with the ALE, and Orion, with the ALE, never had the kind of power DS had in Final Crisis. The ale is not what gave him his power. It was him.
It was shown on panel that he could use ALE to increase his powers and would turn into an Anti-Life Entity type being when doing so.
Originally posted by King Kandy
It was shown on panel that he could use ALE to increase his powers and would turn into an Anti-Life Entity type being when doing so.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeWe never saw Darkseid in his real body so it's not even arguable. We did see batman affect Darkseid in the actual story. He only won the war due to the ale anyways.
I thought Batman Shot him with Radion. While he was in a Human host body. You completely didn't mention those two facts. You made it seem as if Batman Shot DS in a celestial body with a normal bullet.
Darkseid wins via mindraping Void.
DAN JURGENS PRESENTS: YOU DEFEATED ME. ONCE
Thor #22
"Tears of the Gods"
Writer: Dan Jurgens
Artist: John Romita Jr
Inker: Klaus Janson
Letters: Wes Abbott
Appearances:
Thanos, Mangog, Tarene (Designate), Orikal, Odin, Ulik, Recorder, Jagrfelm, Balder
Ergo, Thanos joins Darkseid as sub-skyfafther according to Dan Jurgens. But both can still beat Void.
Darkseid 10/10
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The ALE wasn't what was causing the collapse of the Multiverse. All the ALE did was allow DS to change the rules of reality so that he won the war in Heaven as well as control the masses of Earth. The collapsing reality into a singularity bit was all him.
Do I honestly have to point out to you and lightyears how most of what happened in FC wasn't his plan nor under his control? Do I have to point out how all these things had to fall into place for him to even be able to do a thing? Really again guys?
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Because that is what it is in the comics.
But these debatable "comic showings" always bogs down the discussion into a debate on the viability of the feat that then turns into a philosophical debate. All w/c really haven't been (to my memory) resolved in the forum.
Seriously, if DS's AVERAGE showings can't portray him as able to beat Void/Sentry then he doesn't beat Void/Sentry.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
But these debatable "comic showings" always bogs down the discussion into a debate on the viability of the feat that then turns into a philosophical debate. All w/c really haven't been (to my memory) resolved in a forum.Seriously, if DS's AVERAGE showings can't portray him as able to beat Void/Sentry then he doesn't beat Void/Sentry.
That is like saying if bob cant beat iron man then sentry cant
2 completely different power levels. Same being.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do I honestly have to point out to you and lightyears how most of what happened in FC wasn't his plan nor under his control? Do I have to point out how all these things had to fall into place for him to even be able to do a thing? Really again guys?
Don't presume to argue that because the Presence allowed this to occur that Darkseid didn't put in the work. Are you seriously going to try to pretend that Darkseid fell ass backward into controlling the Earth?
GTFO with that bullshit.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingThat's a clone and Darkseid can't mindrape him before he beats Darkseid. I don't even think he could anyways tbh.
Darkseid wins via mindraping Void.[b]DAN JURGENS PRESENTS: YOU DEFEATED ME. ONCE
Thor #22
"Tears of the Gods"
Writer: Dan Jurgens
Artist: John Romita Jr
Inker: Klaus Janson
Letters: Wes Abbott
Appearances:
Thanos, Mangog, Tarene (Designate), Orikal, Odin, Ulik, Recorder, Jagrfelm, BalderErgo, Thanos joins Darkseid as sub-skyfafther according to Dan Jurgens. But both can still beat Void.
Darkseid 10/10 [/B]
Originally posted by D_Dude1210You sound like a reasonable man.
But these debatable "comic showings" always bogs down the discussion into a debate on the viability of the feat that then turns into a philosophical debate. All w/c really haven't been (to my memory) resolved in the forum.Seriously, if DS's AVERAGE showings can't portray him as able to beat Void/Sentry then he doesn't beat Void/Sentry.
Originally posted by Omega VisionDarkseid's plans always fail. The guy couldn't even come up with a plan to get rid of DD a one dimensional brick so please don't overexaggerate someone who gets beaten every time he cook sup something new.
The only thing that wasn't planned by Darkseid was Mandrakk. Darkseid planned everything, from the infiltration of the GLC to keep them away from Earth to the death of Orion and the release of the ALE.Don't presume to argue that because the Presence allowed this to occur that Darkseid didn't put in the work. Are you seriously going to try to pretend that Darkseid fell ass backward into controlling the Earth?
GTFO with that bullshit.
Originally posted by quanchi112So thanos can hold off void long enough for the mindrape but not darkseid?When they are pretty much equal in power with darkseid possibly being a little stronger.
That's a clone and Darkseid can't mindrape him before he beats Darkseid. I don't even think he could anyways tbh.You sound like a reasonable man.
Darkseid's plans always fail. The guy couldn't even come up with a plan to get rid of DD a one dimensional brick so please don't overexaggerate someone who gets beaten every time he cook sup something new.
Originally posted by Black bolt zDarkseid has been beaten by Superman, DD in a few panels, and Orion. Thanos would slap these guys around whereas darkseid is inferior to Superman and DD.
So thanos can hold off void long enough for the mindrape but not darkseid?When they are pretty much equal in power with darkseid possibly being a little stronger.
Darkseid's not even close to Thanos strength.