Originally posted by Black bolt zDarkseid gets hit by everyone. DD hit him, Superman hits him, Mary Marvel hits him, Spectre oneshotted him, etc. The omega effect has failed against DD who is just a brick whereas Void has resisted the MM's best efforts in killing him.
No it didn't end in a stalemate.Stalemate means that furthur action my either of the two sides is impossible.You even admitted odin was winning.Thus it was not a stalemate.The fight didn't end in a KO but you can easily tell who would have won the fight.SO you chock that up as a lose for odin and win for thanos?Fail.In fact I'll go ODG style.Phail.
Darkseid can win.Mindrape.Omega effect to disintigrate void or Omega sanction.Void also can't touch him.He's too fast and has moves to fast.
No wwhen you add these two together you get Void easily resisting Seid's beams as they have failed against someone less than Void and never taken anyone out greater than the Void.
Who has Darkseid mindraped? Give me an example.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210He's tried it on DD and it failed. A writer stated Superman wouldn't die from it and I for one don't think it would take him out, and besides the point MM's powers far outclass Ds's and he failed to defeat the Void.
Were there really provable on-panel instances where the OE/OB or OS were resisted before?Also, if these are "autowin" abilities like the DS propoenents state, why doesn't DS use them to beat DD and SM during the times he got pounded by them?
Ds has no chance and he gets ripped in half.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210When a more powerful being does not use the full extent of their abilities it is assumed it is PIS or CIS to further the story. If said powers have defeated similiar foes or even more powerful foes before and after the encounters in question, then that would fall under stupidity. For example, The Omegas have defeated or held Superman, Orion, and The more powerful Infinity Man several times before but deflected by Heat vision in one story. Obviously the writer didn't know what they were doing. Doomsday was defeated by the Omegas as he was put down for the count. Darkseid even had time to give a speech. Doomsday's powers are adapting. I wager he simply adapted beyond the pure force Darksied used. Bad thinking on DS part. He could have devolved him or sent him to another time period. He chose to use force instead to prove a point.
Were there really provable on-panel instances where the OE/OB or OS were resisted before?Also, if these are "autowin" abilities like the DS propoenents state, why doesn't DS use them to beat DD and SM during the times he got pounded by them?
Originally posted by lightyeargeeThe writer did know what he was doing and just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less canon.
When a more powerful being does not use the full extent of their abilities it is assumed it is PIS or CIS to further the story. If said powers have defeated similiar foes or even more powerful foes before and after the encounters in question, then that would fall under stupidity. For example, The Omegas have defeated or held Superman, Orion, and The more powerful Infinity Man several times before but deflected by Heat vision in one story. Obviously the writer didn't know what they were doing. Doomsday was defeated by the Omegas as he was put down for the count. Darkseid even had time to give a speech. Doomsday's powers are adapting. I wager he simply adapted beyond the pure force Darksied used. Bad thinking on DS part. He could have devolved him or sent him to another time period. He chose to use force instead to prove a point.
Originally posted by quanchi112It was one instance out of many battles. I simply looked at the entire history of fights and summized that it does not fit. Anyway, Final Crisis said that they body hopped anyway.
The writer did know what he was doing and just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less canon.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeStill canon. Most writers feel Superman can best Seid anyways it seems or that they are equals.
It was one instance out of many battles. I simply looked at the entire history of fights and summized that it does not fit. Anyway, Final Crisis said that they body hopped anyway.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0What does this have to do with the thread? That's not canon but seriously stick to the topic.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman consistently stalemating and defeating darkseid aren't low showings they are his average showings.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeYou must have missed quite a few Superman/Darkseid fights then. What does oneshotting Supergirl have to do with Superman? Orion matches up better against Superman than Seid does and it's abc logic as well since we have actual fights between these two characters.
From everything I"ve read, Darksied has toyed with Superman and doesn't have stalemates or losses against Superman. How can that be possible when DS one shotted Supergirl when she was angel(more powerful than Superman), Put down Doomsday(More powerful than an ampes Superman), Beaten Orion(Equal to Superman), Beaten Infinity Man(More powerful than Superman, etc. Seems Superman is the exception to the rule and not the rule.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You must have missed quite a few Superman/Darkseid fights then. What does oneshotting Supergirl have to do with Superman? Orion matches up better against Superman than Seid does and it's abc logic as well since we have actual fights between these two characters.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeDarkseid fails to beat Superman on his own. What Darkseid does to Orion or anyone else doesn't matter because he can't beat Superman like he used to.
I"m using direct comparisons. Darksied beats Orion and Infinity Man. Both of whom are equal to or Superior to Superman. Thus Superman is the exception to the rule, not the rule.