Darth Sidious and Darth Caedus Vs. Yoda and Mace Windu

Sidious
This is sidious spirit post of his latest death, so he retains all knowledge, experience, and skills he gained....such as his experience of being seperated from the force by the twins, etc.

Sidious is also given his original organic body in its early twenties for prime physicality.

He is given one month to practice and refine his saber skills, force powers, accustom to his body.

Caedus
This is caedus spirit post of his death, so he has all knowledge, experiences, powers, skills, he gained through life and death, such as his experience of fighting luke and illusions, etc.

Caedus is also given his original organic body in its physical prime, all limbs inclded.

He is given one month to practice and refine his saber skills, force powers, and accustom to his body.

Yoda
This is yoda's spirit to the moment of death, so he has all knowledge , skills, eertise he learned up to death.

Yoda is given his original organic body in its prime physicality

He is given one month to practice and refine his skills and to accustom to his body.

Windu
This is windus spirit to the moment before he died of falling from a skyscraper, right before impact. So he retains all knowledge, experiences, he gained up to death.

He is also given his original organic body in prime physical condition

He is given one month to practice and refine his skills, to accustom to his body.

The Match

Scenario 1: could team 1 assassinate team 2 and vice versa? They are allowed to use all their personal weapons and all their force powers. However the team partners are neever seperate from one another. Which team is successful or if both more successful?

Scenario 2: both teams meet in a large open field, no civilians, which team wins vs the other team all out? All weapons, tactics, powers allowed.

Scenario 3: an all out brawl with pure hand to hand, and sabers no force powers, team vs team.

Scenario 4: team vs team brawl in same open field except no melee or sabers only force powers, ie tk lightening etc.

Note: all force powers that a team has are allowed, ie battle meditation, battle rage, mind meld, invisibility ,etc all fancy exotc powers.

Team 2 wins.

Yoda beats Sidious since Yoda is already close to Sidious and would benefit more from the OP.

Mace beats Caedus because he already would without the OP, and with the OP Mace gets bigger boost since he's older.

Team 2.

BW, I don't know why you bother with the whole theoretical prime stuff, because we slip into total conjecture then. You should just pick an era for a specific character (RotS Yoda, RotJ Sidious, etc.) and stick with it.

BW
Scenario 1: could team 1 assassinate team 2 and vice versa? They are allowed to use all their personal weapons and all their force powers. However the team partners are neever seperate from one another. Which team is successful or if both more successful?

Assassination? The Sith will naturally have an advantage here, due to the sheer nature of assassination. It requires stealth, cunning, and superior grasp of tactics. Palpatine and Caedus are both sneaky sonsofbitches, so they definitely win here.

BW
Scenario 2: both teams meet in a large open field, no civilians, which team wins vs the other team all out? All weapons, tactics, powers allowed.

This would be close, but I'm inclined to side with the Sith. Windu's decisive combination of Vaapad/shatterpoint wouldn't be nearly as effective; Caedus possesses the shatterpoint charism as well and is just as capable of using it in the heat of combat. Coupled with the fact that Caedus has a threshold for pain that is truly extraordinary and his considerable skills with the Force and the lightsaber, he could very easily keep Windu busy, though I'd have to think about it further before I could say who would win.

Palpatine and Yoda would not be as close as Caedus vs. Windu; while Palpatine might not have a decisive edge with a lightsaber, he most certainly does with the Force.

It's close to call, since the Sith don't seem to possess a notable advantage with a lightsaber, they do seem to have superiority with the Force, which is largely the deciding factor according to Path of Destruction.

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Scenario 3: an all out brawl with pure hand to hand, and sabers no force powers, team vs team.

The Sith, again, solely because even though Yoda could enhance his physical strength and speed with the Force, his small stature and reach would work to his detriment. Meanwhile, we can infer from Maul's training at Sidious's hands that Palpatine is a prolific martial artist as well, and Caedus is simply too durable in the area of melee combat. Windu is certainly the best one here in sheer hand-to-hand, but he wouldn't be able to subdue Caedus outright due to Caedus's threshold for pain; Yoda wouldn't be much of a challenge for Sidious in this area. Yoda would go down first, and Sidious and Caedus team up to take out Windu.

But if Windu can subdue Caedus, then he can take out Sidious and win this himself. But one way or another, Yoda's going down.

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Scenario 4: team vs team brawl in same open field except no melee or sabers only force powers, ie tk lightening etc.

The Sith in a decisive stomp. Windu isn't nearly as learned in the Force as Yoda, Caedus, or Sidious. He's a liability to Yoda, and while Yoda may be powerful enough to contend with Caedus, he's not in Palpatine's league, and against the two of them? He'd be annihilated.

Good thread though.

Board Walker
The Match

Scenario 1: could team 1 assassinate team 2 and vice versa? They are allowed to use all their personal weapons and all their force powers. However the team partners are neever seperate from one another. Which team is successful or if both more successful?

I'll ignore circumstances and point out that both members of Team Two have already tried to assassinate Palpatine and failed.

Failed.

Board Walker
Scenario 2: both teams meet in a large open field, no civilians, which team wins vs the other team all out? All weapons, tactics, powers allowed.

Board Walker
Scenario 3: an all out brawl with pure hand to hand, and sabers no force powers, team vs team.

Mace has proven to be an immensely powerful physical combatant, and taking shatterpoint and Vaapad into account there's a very good chance he could defeat either of the Sith.

Yoda's small size, agility, and strength - I believe it was Lightsnake who provided a scan of Yoda carrying a gun the size of a small house on his back - would make him threatening in his own right. He'd certainly make the worst target possible.

However, Palpatine is responsible for the training of Maul and Mara Jade, some of the deadliest melee fighters in the mythos; his skill here is likely unmatched, and combined with youth and enormous reserves of power he becomes an immediate threat.

Solo's greatest strength is his endurance; in that field he's put himself in a class with perhaps only Vader as a possible rival. His uncle, who crushed a blaster carbine with his organic hand, compared landing a hit on Solo to punching a brick wall. Whether that'll let him outlast someone who tears through durasteel armor is debatable, but there's no question that he'll occupy someone's attention for a very long time.

Board Walker
Scenario 4: team vs team brawl in same open field except no melee or sabers only force powers, ie tk lightening etc.

Edit: Dammit Gideon.

I didn't even see the part where they get lightsabers in the hand-to-hand one.

I figured it was a typo.

It indeed was a typo, meant no sabers. And yes ill stick to eras rather than theoritical prime forms so ofen

I'm gonna side with team two, actually. I think that there is enough wiggle room for Caedus to be taken out of play, and then allow the two Jedi to tag-team Sidious.

I'll have a reasonably competent argument by tomorrow-ish.

I am thinking team 1 in all battle Scenarios. This is basically DE Sidious and LOTF Caedus against Unknown Yoda and ROTS Mace, no?

Mace is the top hand-to-hand combatant of the group.

Originally posted by Board Walker
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Scenario 1: could team 1 assassinate team 2 and vice versa? They are allowed to use all their personal weapons and all their force powers. However the team partners are neever seperate from one another.

Scenario 2: both teams meet in a large open field, no civilians, which team wins vs the other team all out? All weapons, tactics, powers allowed.

Scenario 3: an all out brawl with pure hand to hand, and sabers no force powers, team vs team.

Scenario 4: team vs team brawl in same open field except no melee or sabers only force powers, ie tk lightening etc.

Note: all force powers that a team has are allowed, ie battle meditation, battle rage, mind meld, invisibility ,etc all fancy exotc powers.

Scenario 2: Yoda and Mace again. You have to remember, Mace was 53 when he died, so if he's at his prime, he's a nearly unstoppable killing machine. Yoda is an all out beast who could take on either Caedus or Sidious while Mace handles the other.

Scenario 3: If it's no force powers, Yoda is nearly useless. He gets killed. Mace's Vaapad cannot withstand Caedus and Sidious fighting together.

Scenario 4: This one is hard to read. I want to say Yoda and Mace, but maybe Sidious and Caedus have too much hate-fueled energy to overcome. I'd give it to the Sith boys.

Team 2 wins in all except for maybe 3 and maybe 4.

Remember that Yoda would get a bigger boost from the OP than the others since Yoda's pretty darn old, and Yoda's already > ROTS Sidious and Mace > Caedus (or at least around equal). Mace would get a bigger boost than Caedus from the OP since ROTS Mace is older than Caedus.

I don't actually know how to make a case for Yoda. Do we have any legitimate fights for him except vs Sidious in EpIII and Dooku in DR?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I don't actually know how to make a case for Yoda. Do we have any legitimate fights for him except vs Sidious in EpIII and Dooku in DR?

The fight vs Sidious alone is enough. Yoda apparently disarms Sidious off screen. And Yoda would get a big boost from the OP, a bigger boost than that of any of the other contestants here.

If Caedus can keep his shit together then I don't see why him and Sidious couldn't punk his ass with the force here. Hell, Yoda barely manage to stand up against the Dark Lord and palps may have thrown the fight. And even if he didn't he still had plenty of power left and was damn near close to pushing Windu back with his Lightning.

Caedus isn't to be underestimated at any cost. Character Derailment and lack of sanity aside, he was a formidable SOB. If they can manage to work together, they could very well pull this off.

On the other hand, who knows how awesome the Yoda/Mace team would be. Now, their physical prime might help Yoda a bit, but given the sheer power he had in the force it's liely we saw what he wa slike. However, this would mean he has more pwer and focus to spare on offensive or defensive powers. As far as Mace goes, 53 isn't that old for someone who has led an active and healthy lifestyle, much less a Jedi. I know plenty a 50 something's who could hold there own in a fight with young adults if need be. So physical prime might not mean much for MAce.

Except for a Afro....

It's a toss-up. Closer than most would think.

I mean... : )

Oh...

H2H is happening?

Well then Mace brings that round home.

...

Yoda beats Sidious

Mace beats Caedus

or

Yoda beats Caedus

Mace holds off Sidious

I only see the Jedi winning 3 as Mace is a beast at hand to hand combat. Otherwise the Sith are just allaround more powerful.

BTW I'm not worring about the hypothetical in their Prime BS.

Originally posted by ares834
I only see the Jedi winning 3 as Mace is a beast at hand to hand combat. Otherwise the Sith are just allaround more powerful.

BTW I'm not worring about the hypothetical in their Prime BS.

If you don't factor the OP specifications then:

Mace beats Sidious
Yoda beast Caedus

Jedi team wins