Originally posted by carthage
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Ok Pre suit vader was a stretch but Vader in his prime has refined his style to the point he can match any duelist including yoda. And vader is very skilled and smart and knows,when to just sit back and relax. While yoda plows try's to fight through wasting energy, vader will be defending hi,self and staying fresh.
Originally posted by SunRazer
I'm sorry but that sounds like Jensaari, lol.
Yea I know but still he has a point.
Yoda throughout his years were not facing Sith so frequently throughout his 900 years of life. Darth Vader was fighting Jedi for decades during the galactic empire. This means that any experience yoda may have is matched if not outdone by vader since he faced more lightsaber deuilist, some even much faster. With this he has refined his style way more than yoda who has not adjusted since he never has had to before. Sot his is why as lightsaber duelist I rank vader above yoda.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Experience is widely overrated, and Yoda's canonically more skilled than Anakin, Mace etc. who Vader isn't more skilled than.
Actually there is some debate about whether or not anakin is better than vader. I am of the belief that vader is better than anakin. How is experience overrated. It's like putting a rand new Jedi knight vs a seasoned Jedi knight. The seasoned one is going to win with more experience and with more experience comes greater force powers and greater lightsaber skills. As a duelist it is no question on whether vader is better as he knows more forms and has taken each to a higher degree. Also he would have the knowledge of his former self. But even if he didn't he would still win. As for force abilities vader can make his arsenal work effectively. Anakin had all of his living tissue thus the force could flow better in him. But vader had more variety and arguably similar or greater magnitude.
Originally posted by McP
Vader is far more skilled Force user, but Anakin is more skilled duelist and is much more faster, durable and agile.
Anakin takes the sabers, Vader takes the Force and all-out is debatable.
I'm afraid I have to respectively disagree vader is by far the superior lightsaber duelist. As he knows all styles and is superior in djem so
No, he isn't superior Djem So user. He has his own uniqe style, because he wasn't able to use a pure Djem So in the same degree as before, because of his limitations.
And he's nowhere near of Yoda's level. That's just Jensary's (or whatever this noob is called) bullshit.
Cin Drallig also knew all styles, which didn't help him against Anakin's far superior Djem So.
Originally posted by McP
No, he isn't superior Djem So user. He has his own uniqe style, because he wasn't able to use a pure Djem So in the same degree as before, because of his limitations.And he's nowhere near of Yoda's level. That's just Jensary's (or whatever this noob is called) bullshit.
Cin Drallig also knew all styles, which didn't help him against Anakin's far superior Djem So.
He actually is. Djem so is strength based and now he has more strength and vader is not slow he was able to match several Jedi who were faster than he. And he was known as the godfather of Djem so after his transformation. Yes he has a unique style made up of all other styles so either a complete form of nymand or he just knows all seven and can encorporate them seemlessly. What proof do you have that he was not able to use Djem so to the same degree.
Originally posted by McP
No, he isn't superior Djem So user. He has his own uniqe style, because he wasn't able to use a pure Djem So in the same degree as before, because of his limitations.And he's nowhere near of Yoda's level. That's just Jensary's (or whatever this noob is called) bullshit.
Cin Drallig also knew all styles, which didn't help him against Anakin's far superior Djem So.
Cin drallig was more of a jack of all trades than a master like he knew all seven forms but couldn't apply them to a level worthy of people like dooku
It only states he made a hybrid of all forms or something like that, Nargaroth likely has the same specific quotes. But in return his form would've been more advanced than Anakin's brand of Djem so, even as far back as ESB you see Vader using elements of Makashi as well
Either way OT Vader has accolades/quotes that'd place him among the most skilled duelists in the mythos
Originally posted by carthage
It only states he made a hybrid of all forms or something like that, Nargaroth likely has the same specific quotes. But in return his form would've been more advanced than Anakin's brand of Djem so, even as far back as ESB you see Vader using elements of Makashi as wellEither way OT Vader has accolades/quotes that'd place him among the most skilled duelists in the mythos
Well said
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
My list
1. Luke Skwalker
2.Darth Sidious
3. Darth Caedus ( not for sure my mind is being influenced)
4. Darth Vader
5. Yoda
6. Dooku
7. Windu
8. Kyle katarn
9. Jana Solo
10. Darth bane
After reconsideration there are a few changes I must make.
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Yoda
4. Darth Vader
5. Darth Caedus
6. Count Dooku
7. Mace Windu
8. Kyle Katarn
9. Jaina Solo
10. Mara Jade Skywalker