Darkseid vs. Odin

Originally posted by Blanket
Explain.

FC Darkseid warped space-time during his "fall" and threatened the entire foundation of the Multiverse, as well as controlling half of Earth's population with the ALE.

However, he was also physically weaker than his PC version because his soul was inhabiting Turpin's body (and Superman confirmed that the body was still Turpin's by reading its DNA). Also during FC, he didn't display any of the other powers than his PC version (or post-Crisis version) used: teleportation, telepathy, super strength and heightened reflexes, etc.

EDIT: One thing that always confused me was the use the ALE during Final Crisis. I'm pretty sure that the actual distribution occurred after the Death of the New Gods when the ALE merged with the Source, even though DS traveled back in time prior to it. Shouldn't it had been rendered ineffective like when Mister Miracle attempted to use it?

Originally posted by marwash22
the feats of everyone, PC, were ridiculous... hence, the crisis.

Why on God's green earth do people think PC DS was weaker than FC DS? I take PC DS over the one we saw in FC everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. People like lightyear... actually believe DS caused all that happened to the multiverse under his own power. This couldn't be further from the truth. I caused no multiversal anything under his own power... he simply went with what was already happening (outside his control) and through sheer will power refused to go down without a fight. However, to think he caused mutiversal destruction via his own power is hilarious

Originally posted by quanchi112
Such as?

Originally posted by lightyeargee
PC Superman sneezed away a galaxy. Wonder Woman Jumped from the earth to the moon and could juggle planets. PC superboy and Supergirl raced acrosss billions of universes in seconds.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Why on God's green earth do people think PC DS was weaker than FC DS? I take PC DS over the one we saw in FC everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. People like lightyear... actually believe DS caused all that happened to the multiverse under his own power. This couldn't be further from the truth. I caused no multiversal anything under his own power... he simply went with what was already happening (outside his control) and through sheer will power refused to go down without a fight. However, to think he caused mutiversal destruction via his own power is hilarious

Under his own power? Yes.

As a result of the nature of the Multiverse? Also yes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Is this it? Odin has destroyed galaxies like they were nothing as well, affected the multiverse, stopped time, etc.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Under his own power? Yes.

As a result of the nature of the Multiverse? Also yes.

I understand what you're trying to get at which is kinda in line with my thoughts...

First, the war as stated on panel caused a crack in space and time. Not DS power cracking anything but the war. Also keep in mind he only won the war because of the ALE.. again that isn't DS own powerset it's an amp of sorts. Further.. him dying is what caused the sigularity to form in the first place. He didn't just wave his hand and the sigularity appeared and it was causing havoc in the multiverse. Wrong. Him dying at the hands of Orion, which wasn't part of his plain caused this to happen not his powerset. The ALE first being broadcast also as stated on panel cracked space and time further. Again nothing to do with DS or his powerset. The reason everything was being flushed down the toilet is because by him dying there was no balance in the multiverse.. that is why all the havoc was taking place. His position was needed and now vacated. Couple that with the fact that he was falling into a place he didn't belong.. our universe. Thus more damage was being caused. So as you see these are the factors that caused the multiverse to be effected which had NOTHING to do with his powerset causing it or a wave of his hand. What he was responsible for was through sheer will power not going down without a fight. He went with the havoc already caused by the stuff mentioned and decided to muck it up even more. Cool, but it was his power that caused the multiverse to collapse. HIs main contribution was his will power, continuing to mess stuff up that was already messed up and being an needed fixture in the universe. The sooner people accept he wasn't causing multiversal damage by his own powerset the better you'll be. He cannot and has never been able to cause any destruction on this scale by his own powerset. Wanna know why… cause he can't.

Classic DS was like omnipotent. Hurr hurr..

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I understand what you're trying to get at which is kinda in line with my thoughts...

First, the war as stated on panel caused a crack in space and time. Not DS power cracking anything but the war. Also keep in mind he only won the war because of the ALE.. again that isn't DS own powerset it's an amp of sorts. Further.. him dying is what caused the sigularity to form in the first place. He didn't just wave his hand and the sigularity appeared and it was causing havoc in the multiverse. Wrong. Him dying at the hands of Orion, which wasn't part of his plain caused this to happen not his powerset. The ALE first being broadcast also as stated on panel cracked space and time further. Again nothing to do with DS or his powerset. The reason everything was being flushed down the toilet is because by him dying there was no balance in the multiverse.. that is why all the havoc was taking place. His position was needed and now vacated. Couple that with the fact that he was falling into a place he didn't belong.. our universe. Thus more damage was being caused. So as you see these are the factors that caused the multiverse to be effected which had NOTHING to do with his powerset causing it or a wave of his hand. What he was responsible for was through sheer will power not going down without a fight. He went with the havoc already caused by the stuff mentioned and decided to muck it up even more. Cool, but it was his power that caused the multiverse to collapse. HIs main contribution was his will power, continuing to mess stuff up that was already messed up and being an needed fixture in the universe. The sooner people accept he wasn't causing multiversal damage by his own powerset the better you'll be. He cannot and has never been able to cause any destruction on this scale by his own powerset. Wanna know why… cause he can't.

Most of this is correct except for the "necessary position" part. It's implied that DS will not be resurrected as part of the Fifth World, yet the multiverse has been fixed in his absence.

The main reason he threatened the Multiverse was because he established his domain on New Earth, the foundation of the Multiverse. As New Earth fell into the abyss it would affect the other universes, all derived from New Earth itself. It's the same reason Sinestro attacked New Earth instead of Oa during SCW.

It's a combination of his own power and special circumstances. The ALE never amped his personal power in the same way Mister Miracle used it. Space-time "crumpled" around Earth, and DS's emergence in Turpin's body was the breaking point IIRC.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
You are really hard to debate with because you do not use logic. I'm talking about Superheroes doing the ridiculous and you are talking about a skyfather doing what he's supposed to do. Where did you get a correlation between Odin and Superheroes?Im fascinated at what you come up with. Please, do tell.