Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Hardly. Shujinko's still more developed than Liu Lame, and a much better protagonist than Taven.
Shujinko was too naive and he's just a copycat Kung Lao with stolen special moves.
What else could you expect from a dragon really, let alone a dragon king? Him having teh fire moves and stuff was inevitable. His shockwave/dirty face move was pretty cool at least, and he had the most cinematic throw in the series. Also a much more cunning villain/schemer than Shao Khan and the like.
The throw was the best he got. Since he's a possessed Reptile, he could've used his moves plus fire breath and wing wind.
Originally posted by Phanteros
Taven was probably the best protagonist.
Personality-wise he is. But he just doesn't fit in with the rest of the MK cast. He looks like he came from DC Comics.
Originally posted by Sin_VolvagiaWarners prior to the purchase had some influence on Midway, who knows.
Shujinko was too naive and he's just a copycat Kung Lao with stolen special moves.The throw was the best he got. Since he's a possessed Reptile, he could've used his moves plus fire breath and wing wind.
Personality-wise he is. But he just doesn't fit in with the rest of the MK cast. He looks like he came from DC Comics.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Shujinko was too naive and he's just a copycat Kung Lao with stolen special moves.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u122/BiosArmageddon/MKA-Shujinko.jpg
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
The throw was the best he got. Since he's a possessed Reptile, he could've used his moves plus fire breath and wing wind.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
No it wasn't. Look how lame he was when he came back.His turkey calls annoy me worse than Sin & Punishment's voice acting.
Of course it was a good move. He was the hero so they can't get rid of him for good.
As for how they brought him back, well don't you think they should have an evil side for him now, like some other fighting game protagonists? At least his was somewhat different. All I want is to have them as separate characters.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Nah... Story-wise it's definitely not better than the three before it, and the gameplay had more bad things for me than it did good (the toned down pussy fatalities, etc).
The story was pretty good to me. It made a lot of sense. Also, Fatalities have little to do with gameplay.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Of course it was a good move. He was the hero so they can't get rid of him for good.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
As for how they brought him back, well don't you think they should have an evil side for him now, like some other fighting game protagonists?
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
The story was pretty good to me. It made a lot of sense.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Also, Fatalities have little to do with gameplay.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
You say that as though he were the only hero.
But he was pretty much the "main hero".
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
No, it's cliched. Bad enough that they did it with Raiden too.
Nah! Suddenly having a hidden transformation, now that's cliched. As for Raiden, I thought that was bad too.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
till nowhere as good as the story of the three games before it (at least Deadly Alliance and Deception).
MKDA was pretty good. MKD was okay (didn't quite like Shujinko, nor how they killed the heroes). MKA, I'm lost in that. For MKvsDC, I'd say it's between MKDA and MKD.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
And yet, they're one of the most popular things about MK's gameplay itself. MKvsDC butchered that and almost everything else the series is most known for.
Yeah but to be honest, it's understandable. Nobody wants to see DC heroes get killed in such a gruesome way.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
But he was pretty much the "main hero".
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Nah! Suddenly having a hidden transformation, now that's cliched. As for Raiden, I thought that was bad too.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
MKDA was pretty good. MKD was okay (didn't quite like Shujinko, nor how they killed the heroes). MKA, I'm lost in that. For MKvsDC, I'd say it's between MKDA and MKD.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Yeah but to be honest, it's understandable. Nobody wants to see DC heroes get killed in such a gruesome way.
The bad guys & the MK guys should have had real fatalities. I've seen some pretty ****ed up shit in DC comics before.
Originally posted by Sin_VolvagiaWas not a good game. Played it in the store. Got old really fast. Being forced to play w/characters you don't like in the story mode was NOT cool. The stupid gimmicks they added to the fight system weren't cool either.
I dunno about MK vs. DC since I never played or will play it.
Originally posted by geshienI was before I saw that video. Now I'm REALLY excited. Those Xray moves look cool as a mutha****a. Really liked Cage's and Kung Lao's. Loved that headbutt by Subs too. Being this interested in MK again is nice. Takes me back.
Some gameplay....I'm actually excited about this game.
Some fatalities...
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
But he was pretty much the "main hero".
And he made the other characters look less important. After his death in DA, Sub-Zero, Raiden, and Kung Lao were developing to become more recognizable as heroes. Both have better designs than Liu Lame. Of course,Kung Lao and Raiden was killed off in Deception and Shujinko's lame old ass was introduced but there was still no need for Liu Kang as Sub-Zero and friends (Kenshi, Sindel, Jade, Nightwolf, Ermac, and even Scorpion) were good enough to replace his role.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Liu Kang was never one of the reasons. Bringing him back was a good move.
Not really. If you kill someone, and then bring them back quickly, it lessens the impact. Not to mention, they brought him back as a fricking zombie with chains. facepalm2
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Liu Kang wasn't the reason it got worse, though.MKvsDC was pretty good. It better than the three before it.
MKvsDC wasn't better than DA or Deception, not by a long-shot. It can be argued that it was slightly better than Armageddon, but it wasn't that much better than that one either.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Hardly. Shujinko's still more developed than Liu Lame, and a much better protagonist than Taven.
Indeed. Shujinko got deceived into going on a quest, then decided he had to fix his deadly mistake, and then succeeded in temporarily dispatching Onaga. Even then he felt he hadn't made up for his mistake.
Whereas Taven just fought his brother, the others, and Blaze; all while having virtually no character development.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
True, that could be it. mmm
Or it could just be the Kung Lao thing as well. srug
At least that way, Shao Kahn and Shang Tsung don't lose due to PIS and the Bicycle kick.
Originally posted by geshien
Some gameplay....I'm actually excited about this game.
Sweet vid. Sektor looks kind of broken IMO. That ground teleport of his is probably going to be really nasty.
The X-Ray moves of Sub-Zero (Ice-Spike -> Liver crush -> Head-butt) & Reptile (teleport dash -> Eye jab -> Neck snap -> Gut kick) were really sweet. Scorpion's was utter badass.
Cage's was brutal and lolzy.
I actually grimaced at NW's X-ray move >__>
Freezing a liver and crushing it... mmm
These moves do a lot of damage. No wonder these moves need the entire Super-bar. They are mini-fatalities. >__>
I wish we get X-Ray fatalities. We could see Subs freezing and crushing their heart and other stuff like Scorpion burning their insides. That would be sweet IMO.
~ Also, damn loading times. I hope they quicken that shit.
Extreme loading times between each fight is ridiculously ghey.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
And he made the other characters look less important. After his death in DA, Sub-Zero, Raiden, and Kung Lao were developing to become more recognizable as heroes. Both have better designs than Liu Lame. Of course,Kung Lao and Raiden was killed off in Deception and Shujinko's lame old ass was introduced but there was still no need for Liu Kang as Sub-Zero and friends (Kenshi, Sindel, Jade, Nightwolf, Ermac, and even Scorpion) were good enough to replace his role.
The other characters still had important roles. For example, Scorpion's rivalry with both Sub-Zeros was quite detailed. Each character fought their own reasons that were explained in some way. Liu Kang just happened to be the one fighting for Earthrealm because he was told about the great MK tournaments and was pretty much the one that cared the most.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Not really. If you kill someone, and then bring them back quickly, it lessens the impact. Not to mention, they brought him back as a fricking zombie with chains. facepalm2MKvsDC wasn't better than DA or Deception, not by a long-shot. It can be argued that it was slightly better than Armageddon, but it wasn't that much better than that one either.
1. I'm pretty sure fans wanted him back really bad otherwise, you can bet fans would throw a huge hissy fit over the fact that he missed out on two games in a row.
2. I think it was better than all three, mainly because it wasn't that stiff and was closer to the 2D games.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Not really. If you kill someone, and then bring them back quickly, it lessens the impact. Not to mention, they brought him back as a fricking zombie with chains. facepalm2MKvsDC wasn't better than DA or Deception, not by a long-shot. It can be argued that it was slightly better than Armageddon, but it wasn't that much better than that one either.
Indeed. Shujinko got deceived into going on a quest, then decided he had to fix his deadly mistake, and then succeeded in temporarily dispatching Onaga. Even then he felt he hadn't made up for his mistake.
Whereas Taven just fought his brother, the others, and Blaze; all while having virtually no character development.Or it could just be the Kung Lao thing as well. srug
At least that way, Shao Kahn and Shang Tsung don't lose due to PIS and the Bicycle kick.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Sweet vid. Sektor looks kind of broken IMO. That ground teleport of his is probably going to be really nasty.
1. Spam Sector's missiles by doing both the homing missile and the straight missile.
2. Teleport uppercut the opponent while they're confused on what to do about the incoming missiles, followed by a jump kick before they reach the ground.
3. ????
4. Profit.
And agreed on the X-ray moves. Those were all pretty freakin' sweet.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. I'm pretty sure fans wanted him back really bad otherwise, you can bet fans would throw a huge hissy fit over the fact that he missed out on two games in a row.2. I think it was better than all three, mainly because it wasn't that stiff and was closer to the 2D games.
2. Too bad the Rage mode made it more unbalanced/broken than pretty much any other MK game to date.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
1. Like how people reacted when Johnny Cage and others were not in MKvsDC and the like? Why should they bring back Liu Lame just because his fans had a hissy fit, when there were fans of plenty other characters not getting to see their favorites appear as well? If Liu came back in Deception just because of fan complaints over him not being playable in one game (one game), then his fanbase is really spoiled.2. Too bad the Rage mode made it more unbalanced/broken than pretty much any other MK game to date.
1. As I stated before, he's recognized as the main protagonist of MK up until that point. A lot of fans would be disappointed to see the main protagonist miss out on a whole game. He probably doesn't need to be relevent to the storyline but to leave him out completely? I don't think that sit too well for fans.
2. MK was never known to be balanced anyway.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. As I stated before, he's recognized as the main protagonist of MK up until that point. A lot of fans would be disappointed to see the main protagonist miss out on a whole game. He probably doesn't need to be relevent to the storyline but to leave him out completely? I don't think that sit too well for fans.2. MK was never known to be balanced anyway.
2. Doesn't justify making things unbalanced to the point of absurdity though like MKvsDC was.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
I'm so hyped for this. Used to be hyped over MvC3 but then I saw it in action and learned the even easier layout and just didn't care anymore.I'm so going to main SubZero...like always
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
1. Your point? I don't think other characters/heroes getting pointlessly killed off sat too well for fans either.
As stated before, MK doesn't have just one single main hero, so Liu isn't all that essential, as shown from his role in Deception and onward.2. Doesn't justify making things unbalanced to the point of absurdity though like MKvsDC was.
1. Yeah, they NOW don't have one single main hero but prior to DA, Liu Kang was basically just that.
2. It wasn't that bad. It was mainly Superman's infinite that made it unbalance.
