Originally posted by quanchi112I've just stopped trying to debate with someone that has the mental capacity that you do(extrememly low).I know enough about void to know that DS beats him but he beats DD.Unless DD is smart enough to adapt into a telepath void wins.
BB hasn't read any of Void's recent stuff and pieces together other people's arguments and then forms his own.
Originally posted by Black bolt zYou hardly know anything about anyone.
I've just stopped trying to debate with someone that has the mental capacity that you do(extrememly low).I know enough about void to know that DS beats him but he beats DD.Unless DD is smart enough to adapt into a telepath void wins.
Originally posted by The PictThe writer of hunter and prey disagrees.
Doomsday win or a stalemate. Void doesn't have what it takes to put him down.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeSince you missed it the first time. here's the writer and here's me laughing.
The writer of Hunter Prey thought that nothing could permantly Put DD down except Entropy. Not even Chronal Energy or the Galaxy spanning power of a Guardian could.
DAN JURGENS: I always said that when it came down to a knock-down, drag-out, kick-ass fight, that Superman was always limited by his upbringing. In other words, if you take Superman and his upbringing, his moral code-the "governors" that put him in place to make him the decent human being that he is-and you take someone else who is raised, let’s say on Apokolips, and they are one nasty, mean-ass sonuva . . . even if they only have 95 percent of Superman’s power, they have the advantage in a drag-out fight to the death.
How many Superman stories did we read where he would be in a battle and it was presumed that he was going to die or lose or whatever, but somehow he outwits the opponent? It was never necessarily that he went absolutely nuts and beat him; and I think that’s what Superman needs in those moments.
Originally posted by quanchi112This is the same interview where He Thinks Superman, Darksied, and Doomsday are all Millions of times more powerful than Thor? Forgive me if I do not take his word over what has been portrayed since then. It was shown that Superman was amped and doing his best and could not defeat Doomsday.
Since you missed it the first time. here's the writer and here's me laughing.
RC: Now, regarding Superman in Hunter/Prey, how do you account for Superman’s abysmal performance against Doomsday?DAN JURGENS: I always said that when it came down to a knock-down, drag-out, kick-ass fight, that Superman was always limited by his upbringing. In other words, if you take Superman and his upbringing, his moral code-the "governors" that put him in place to make him the decent human being that he is-and you take someone else who is raised, let’s say on Apokolips, and they are one nasty, mean-ass sonuva . . . even if they only have 95 percent of Superman’s power, they have the advantage in a drag-out fight to the death.
How many Superman stories did we read where he would be in a battle and it was presumed that he was going to die or lose or whatever, but somehow he outwits the opponent? It was never necessarily that he went absolutely nuts and beat him; and I think that’s what Superman needs in those moments.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeHe contradicted that.
This is the same interview where He Thinks Superman, Darksied, and Doomsday are all Millions of times more powerful than Thor? Forgive me if I do not take his word over what has been portrayed since then. It was shown that Superman was amped and doing his best and could not defeat Doomsday.
That's the only part of the interview he said was taken out of context.
He favors a Superman at 95 percent power level at that time which he was a lot less powerful than he is today had he had different upbringing.
DD gets destroyed. The writer disagrees with you and we have seen DD beaten since then by Imperiex so you really are kind of a noob with your faulty reasoning.
Originally posted by quanchi112Imperiex wipes away Universe with Entropy. So My reasoning isn't faulty. It's just fine. Dont' quote the interview as it has no bearing upon what happened in the book. Superman was amped and fighting to the best of his abilities and could not take DD down. Nothing in the story could. Not even Waverider. And he would kick Superman's Ass.
He contradicted that.
Editor's Note: Since publishing of the interview, Dan Jurgens has further expanded on his answer, contradicting the transcript of the interview. ComicBoards has listened to the tape and finds no indication of humor, sarcasm, irony or sardonic whit in Jurgens' statements or Richard Caponetti's questions. While we can't know what Mr. Jurgens was thinking, or if he silently laughed to himself or in a manner that could not be heard by the tape or by the interviewer, by all apperarences, Jurgens' comments here are genuine. ComicBoards stands by the interviewer in his assesments.That's the only part of the interview he said was taken out of context.
He favors a Superman at 95 percent power level at that time which he was a lot less powerful than he is today had he had different upbringing.
DD gets destroyed. The writer disagrees with you and we have seen DD beaten since then by Imperiex so you really are kind of a noob with your faulty reasoning.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeNo, you need to reread it and the writer of the same comic disagrees with you. Superman at 95>DD. It does have bearing in the book.
Imperiex wipes away Universe with Entropy. So My reasoning isn't faulty. It's just fine. Dont' quote the interview as it has no bearing upon what happened in the book. Superman was amped and fighting to the best of his abilities and could not take DD down. Nothing in the story could. Not even Waverider. And he would kick Superman's Ass.
If someone bfrs someone because they couldn't beat him physically that doesn't mean no one in the universe can beat him physically. Your logic makes me cringe and to make things even more fun I proved you wrong by the writer of the story.
Void could beat a gang of DD's.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you need to reread it and the writer of the same comic disagrees with you. Superman at 95>DD. It does have bearing in the book.If someone bfrs someone because they couldn't beat him physically that doesn't mean no one in the universe can beat him physically. Your logic makes me cringe and to make things even more fun I proved you wrong by the writer of the story.
Void could beat a gang of DD's.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeBecause Superman didn't go nuts like jurgens said. At 95 percent power if he were raised differently and went nuts he favors him. DD faced a scared Superman.
What do you mean Physically? First of all you contradict yourself. You say Superman is > DD but in the story he had to be destroyed by :Entropy because Superman couldn't beat him. And Superman was amped. Secondly, DD couldn't be beaten by Chronal Energy, Energy from the one guy he fought for weeks, or even Will power energy. He clearly was beyond Physical or Energy attacks. Even abstract powers like time and Will Power didn't work on him.
Superman was amped but it was only a mb.
The writer disagrees so you can continue to live in your own world of make believe just know the writer agrees with me not your fanboyish ways.
Originally posted by quanchi112A mother Box amped Ironman so much that he KO'd Superman with one blast. A mother box was used to Amp Superboy So much that he was able to keep an entire planet in a force field with just his TK. Scared Superman. LOL. Superman was amped like it or not.And he couldn't take DD out. You fail to make note that the Gaurdian couldn't, the same power that allowed SBP to punch thru the bleed. The same power that contained a universe full of Chaos. You fail to mention that Wave Rider's Chronal Energy couldn't do it. DD evolved mid battle and reversed his energy back upon him. Guardian>>>DS>>Waverider>Superman.
Because Superman didn't go nuts like jurgens said. At 95 percent power if he were raised differently and went nuts he favors him. DD faced a scared Superman.Superman was amped but it was only a mb.
The writer disagrees so you can continue to live in your own world of make believe just know the writer agrees with me not your fanboyish ways.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeYes, he didn't because he didn't go nuts and cut loose. The writer went on to say at 95 percent power he beats DD ina fight.
A mother Box amped Ironman so much that he KO'd Superman with one blast. A mother box was used to Amp Superboy So much that he was able to keep an entire planet in a force field with just his TK. Scared Superman. LOL. Superman was amped like it or not.And he couldn't take DD out. You fail to make note that the Gaurdian couldn't, the same power that allowed SBP to punch thru the bleed. The same power that contained a universe full of Chaos. You fail to mention that Wave Rider's Chronal Energy couldn't do it. DD evolved mid battle and reversed his energy back upon him. Guardian>>>DS>>Waverider>Superman.
The guardians fail all the time. Larfleeze killed some by mistake, Am touched one and she later died, so DD standing up to them with a gl ring which you leave out doesn't really say much.
Void's power is far greater than 95 percent of Superman's at the time of hunter prey. He stomps.
Originally posted by quanchi112He cut lose and died. Your argument isn't flying with me.
Yes, he didn't because he didn't go nuts and cut loose. The writer went on to say at 95 percent power he beats DD ina fight.The guardians fail all the time. Larfleeze killed some by mistake, Am touched one and she later died, so DD standing up to them with a gl ring which you leave out doesn't really say much.
Void's power is far greater than 95 percent of Superman's at the time of hunter prey. He stomps.
The gaurdian's are not fighters. We are talkinga bout thier power. Not thier fighting ability or willingness to fight. I'm talking about thier power. You missed the point I see.
You still ignore that DD reversed Will power upon the harnessors of WP and He reversed Chronal Energy. He simply couldn't be defeated by anything other than Entropy.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeNo, the writer stated he didn't. Reread the interview.
He cut lose and died. Your argument isn't flying with me.The gaurdian's are not fighters. We are talkinga bout thier power. Not thier fighting ability or willingness to fight. I'm talking about thier power. You missed the point I see.
You still ignore that DD reversed Will power upon the harnessors of WP and He reversed Chronal Energy. He simply couldn't be defeated by anything other than Entropy.
DD's powers also have nothing to do with a gl ring based on his will so the example is irrelevant here.
The writer disagrees and so does Imperiex and Superman also bested him in gog wars outside entropy. Ooops.