NaruHina or NaruSaku?

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Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Because realistically all women agree with their husbands and know that they are right. 😐
In Japan? Yes. 😐

Women like Hinata are considered the ideal Japanese woman in fact, if I recall right.

Originally posted by NemeBro
In Japan? Yes. 😐

Women like Hinata are considered the ideal Japanese woman in fact, if I recall right.

Really? Yeah, now that I think about it, it does sound like she'd fit in there as being realistic. But I believe I read in this thread that Sakura was more popular in Japan and vice versa. Wonder how that happened.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Really? Yeah, now that I think about it, it does sound like she'd fit in there as being realistic. But I believe I read in this thread that Sakura was more popular in Japan and vice versa. Wonder how that happened.
The main characters almost always win popularity polls, with few exceptions.

Hinata admittedly does not appear enough to place in the top five for instance.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The main characters almost always win popularity polls, with few exceptions.

Hinata admittedly does not appear enough to place in the top five for instance.

Well that makes sense I suppose. I don't care for the polls anyway based on that.

Hinata placed 3rd in the Konohagakure poll though if that's any consolation.

Though that does make me wonder why characters like Yoshino and Kushina dominate the family if women like Hinata are preferred as wives.

But whatever. It's ****ing pairings so who gives a damn.

Yeah, kinda my view on it. 😐

Hinata is mah favorite female in Naruto, but not gonna be all ghey and argue pairing lameness, since it's up to Kishi and no one else. Even if she "loses," will not change the fact that she is my favorite Naruto female.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah, kinda my view on it. 😐

Hinata is mah favorite female in Naruto, but not gonna be all ghey and argue pairing lameness, since it's up to Kishi and no one else. Even if she "loses," will not change the fact that she is my favorite Naruto female.

I think you have a good favorite if its worth anything. I have nothing against Hinata fans or the character herself. I actually like her somewhat.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel

Though that does make me wonder why characters like Yoshino and Kushina dominate the family if women like Hinata are preferred as wives.

There's the cultural image of an ideal women, and then there's what individuals prefer. Two very different things.

Also it's traditional for wives to control the home, major aspects of it like family finance, so there's other factors at play.

Originally posted by Q99
There's the cultural image of an ideal women, and then there's what individuals prefer. Two very different things.

Also it's traditional for wives to control the home, major aspects of it like family finance, so there's other factors at play.

Indeed. I guess Kishi decided to give variety. And if I have to pick someone based on what Naruto likes....I'd pick Sasuke.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
[B]I have read all 4 books and I can tell you she's more like Hinata than Sakura. Lee isn't really comparable to Jacob or Edward. He's more like one of the normal kids that crushes on Bella. And Sakura has always been polite and kind to him, after he saved her, something Bella would not do. Hinata on the other hand, is shy like Bella, has her esteem problems like Bella, and LIVES for one guy. She has no relationships with other people and to be honest the family relationships are touched upon briefly, as they are in Twilight, just to never come back or be a factor.
Believe what you want to, that sounds like a accurate description of Sakura's character development to me.

Oh the lies..
More like the truth up to what we've seen so far. The fact, she gave up on trying to be a help on Naruto and Sasuke proves she's nothing but all talk.

I didn't say Hinata lacked willpower now did I? .
Your comparing her to freakin bella swan. Which is laughable since Bella has confidence and is written as incredibly successful at everything.

Hmm, you might have something there if we were looking it at in from the outside.
This is a very simple story actually, and certain elements copy other manga in terms of pacing.
Inside the story nothing gives Naruto rank over Sakura. In fact, she's a Chunin and can actually pull rank on Naruto whenever she pleased.
So is Sasuke, and he's like Naruto are Kage level shinobi with enough power to solo a country if they wanted. Theres nothing Sakura has on Naruto that over rides him as a character.
And Naruto is a jinchuuriki and he is a tool that the Hokage can and does control. Well, now all the Gokage I suppose.
Not anymore, Naruto and Tsunade has both equal command of the village after what Naruto did for it against Pain, even ordered the Hokage to step back and tell everyone not to interfere. It doesn't matter, Naruto will be Hokage in the end and basically a liviing messiah,

Well the Government outranks religion in the real world so I imagine it does the same here. And the Gokage still make Naruto do whatever they please. He cannot stop or deny a request from them. Though I would think he could use the fact that he is a jinchuuriki to his advantage somehow.
It doesn't matter anymore, Naruto will save the world somehow and be greater than all the kages in the world. We've been hinted at his ascention amongst the shinobi ranks since after he defeated Pain and saved Konoha.

Because realistically all women agree with their husbands and know that they are right. 😐
Fictionally yes, because men are always more trusting than women shounen. In real life, thats the Japanese way.

And Hinata cheated excellently and decided to eliminate team 7 by trying to trick him into reading her answers.
Hinata never cheated, she did the questions by herself.

Naruto was correct when he said that.
But you keep saying Naruto is wrong when it comes to putting Sakura in her place in the longrun, but now you say he's right Hinata being weird. No Naruto wasn't corrrect, Naruto is the weird one, and at that time he was also the one who underestimated Hinata in the first place when he himself was no better than her.
Sakura is attractive to Naruto it would seem so I can't imagine why anyone else gets an opinion.
Sakura is attractive to Lee, but doesn't mean her persoality and insecurites make any sense to normal boys. She's Bella Swan after all.
Though personally I find Hinata and Sakura equally attractive but nothing special.
I agree with that.

Your comparing her to freakin bella swan. Which is laughable since Bella has confidence and is written as incredibly successful at everything.

I'm pleased to say no ninja in Naruto is as bad as Bella (well, maybe dating Sasuke when he's in ax crazy mode would be a bad idea, but most of the time he's better).

Bella mental blue-screen-of-deaths because her boyfriend breaks up with her and treats both Edward and Jacob like crap. She's barely an actor in her own life aside from jerking boys around and wanting to be special, Bella's designed to be a cypher so the reader can mentally insert themselves into her place.

Not anymore, Naruto and Tsunade has both equal command of the village after what Naruto did for it against Pain, even ordered the Hokage to step back and tell everyone not to interfere. It doesn't matter, Naruto will be Hokage in the end and basically a liviing messiah,

Eh, Danzo wanted Naruto to confront him because that'd allow him, mere candidate-Hokage, to confine Naruto to the village.

He requested Tsunade step back and she let him because she agreed with the idea, but she didn't have to. Kage still outranks Host.

And now, he is officially confined to the island, same as Killerbee.

Being Jinchuuriki gives Naruto some special status, especially now that he's shown himself to be a worthy village protector, but even the jinchuuriki-guardian of a village is still just the strongest weapon in a Kage's arsenal and not on the level of the kage themselves.

Originally posted by killermover
Believe what you want to, that sounds like a accurate description of Sakura's character development to me.

In what way? Sakura's esteem has gotten far better than when she was a child. She isn't shy and is a lot more of a stronger willed person than Bella. Sakura establishes relationships with other characters, like Kakashi, Chiyo, Tsunade, etc. Hinata is the one that hardly interacts with others and has no real relationship other than her connection with Naruto. Her family stuff was resolved in part 1 and now aside from when she might talk to Kiba and Shino, she is still all about 1 guy.

More like the truth up to what we've seen so far. The fact, she gave up on trying to be a help on Naruto and Sasuke proves she's nothing but all talk.

When did she give up on Naruto and Sasuke? When she decided that she would believe in them. Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you complaining about how she was trying to do stuff when she knew nothing about Naruto and Sasuke? And now that she is butting out, you still complain? You're really biased huh?

Your comparing her to freakin bella swan. Which is laughable since Bella has confidence and is written as incredibly successful at everything.

Bella gets no confidence until Breaking Dawn and isn't successful at shit until then either. The last part describes a person like Edward, the Naruto equivalents being Sasuke and to a lesser extent, Naruto. You're the one who brought Bella Swan back into this, so I'm sorry that I've read the books and know exactly what I'm talking about.

This is a very simple story actually, and certain elements copy other manga in terms of pacing.

I'm not sure what point you have by saying this but whatever makes you feel better I guess.

So is Sasuke, and he's like Naruto are Kage level shinobi with enough power to solo a country if they wanted. Theres nothing Sakura has on Naruto that over rides him as a character.

Sasuke is a rouge ninja so he follows no one. Well, possibly Madara but since he doesn't consider him an ally it's hard to tell. You're still looking at them as characters. From an in story, it's the opposite. Nothing gives Naruto rank over Sakura, or Kiba, or Hinata, or anyone. He just happens to be a more powerful tool.

Not anymore, Naruto and Tsunade has both equal command of the village after what Naruto did for it against Pain, even ordered the Hokage to step back and tell everyone not to interfere. It doesn't matter, Naruto will be Hokage in the end and basically a liviing messiah,

So I guess since Choji passed on the info about Deva's powers, he also has the same amount of command. You're still incorrect though as Tsunade had previously ordered Naruto be called back to the village, meaning she wanted him back. The fact that he was there and about to fight Pain was exactly what she wanted. And you're already predicting the ending and using that as an argument, which is funny.

It doesn't matter anymore, Naruto will save the world somehow and be greater than all the kages in the world. We've been hinted at his ascention amongst the shinobi ranks since after he defeated Pain and saved Konoha.

Which doesn't hold a candle to the Kage who rule the shinobi world. He is a tool of them at present time and until he becomes Hokage, or does save the world, that will not change.

Fictionally yes, because men are always more trusting than women shounen. In real life, thats the Japanese way.

Which is why Yoshino and Kushina follow the mold huh? Kishi is matching them up based on character, not really tradition it would seem.

Hinata never cheated, she did the questions by herself.

Now while I can't prove she cheated and you can't prove she didn't, I will point out that Hinata has never been described as intelligent as Sasuke, who accordingly couldn't answer a single one. She has the Byakugan so cheating would have been simple. And that was the purpose of the test so it makes sense that she'd cheat. Still missed the point entirely.

But you keep saying Naruto is wrong when it comes to putting Sakura in her place in the longrun, but now you say he's right Hinata being weird. No Naruto wasn't corrrect, Naruto is the weird one, and at that time he was also the one who underestimated Hinata in the first place when he himself was no better than her.

I've never said Naruto was wrong in putting down Sakura. I can't recall many times he has done so except recently, which I side with Sakura because Naruto did need to stop chasing Sasuke because it was emotionally wrecking him. Naruto is weird but Hinata is weirder. His reasoning was that she always got quiet and stuff around him or something. Don't care enough to check. Didn't say he wasn't oblivious.

Sakura is attractive to Lee, but doesn't mean her persoality and insecurites make any sense to normal boys. She's Bella Swan after all.

Her personality and insecurities make sense to me perfectly. Bella's actually make some sense to me. Problem with Bella is she's really stupid and really too into Edward. And at least characters find Sakura attractive, whereas I've never seen anyone compliment Hinata's appearance.

Honestly Kushina saying to marry someone like her really doesn't imply that he gonna end up with Sakura...She also said not to be a picky eater, to listen to his teachers at the academy, to avoid the three ninja vices, and to watch out for jiraiya...and we all know how he's done with all of those requests she had for him. He only eats ramen and hates vegetables, he never listened to his teachers, he's been all pervy and has gambled too, and everyone here can tell he hasn't watched out for jiraiya. If anything this means he's prolly gonna end up not listening to her when it comes to his love life as well.

tl;dr

Basically sums up this entire thread.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Honestly Kushina saying to marry someone like her really doesn't imply that he gonna end up with Sakura...She also said not to be a picky eater, to listen to his teachers at the academy, to avoid the three ninja vices, and to watch out for jiraiya...and we all know how he's done with all of those requests she had for him. He only eats ramen and hates vegetables, he never listened to his teachers, he's been all pervy and has gambled too, and everyone here can tell he hasn't watched out for jiraiya. If anything this means he's prolly gonna end up not listening to her when it comes to his love life as well.

I know. Just pointing it out though. And if she said it to him again while explaining the flashback, he may do it. But again, it's ****ing pairings so I could care less whether he ended up with Hinata or Sakura or Sasuke or anyone. lol

Originally posted by NemeBro
tl;dr

Basically sums up this entire thread.

Sums it up very nicely.

He's ending up with Sasuke man.

No avoiding that fact.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
In what way? Sakura's esteem has gotten far better than when she was a child.
Not compared to Ino's though. Plus she's still self conscious about her apperance and her looks, also Sasuke who she always loses confidence in herself with.
She isn't shy and is a lot more of a stronger willed person than Bella.
Bella isn't shy either, she had to have balls to keep chasing Edward without him eating her. Not only does Bella obsess over her perfect, no-personality boyfriend(Sasuke x Sakura in a nutshell), but all she wants from him is sex. Four 500 page books full of shit just so Bella can have sex with her god-like possessive, abusive boyfriend.(Again SasuSaku)
Sakura establishes relationships with other characters, like Kakashi, Chiyo, Tsunade, etc. Hinata is the one that hardly interacts with others and has no real relationship other than her connection with Naruto.
All she wants is Sasuke's emo penis. Thats her character in a nut shell. Notice all her interactions with plot relevant characters are with medics who like her have angst issues with dead dudes they fell in love with. Yeah, a real drama. 🙄
Her family stuff was resolved in part 1 and now aside from when she might talk to Kiba and Shino, she is still all about 1 guy.
And Sakura isn't? She's all about men(specifically Sauce), and she wants a threesome with the two freaks. Wow, just wow.

When did she give up on Naruto and Sasuke? When she decided that she would believe in them. Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you complaining about how she was trying to do stuff when she knew nothing about Naruto and Sasuke? And now that she is butting out, you still complain? You're really biased huh?
She basically said, I'm still useless, I'll let the men handle it. Once again regressing her so called role as silly clumsy token woman cliche who needs to clean and cook and heal instead of fight or do something productive with herself. I admit, Hinata is a victim to this as well.

Bella gets no confidence until Breaking Dawn and isn't successful at shit until then either.
Didn't she pwn one of the Cullens in a fight with their abilites? That still constitutes as a moment of her being successful since she is a self insert of the author.
The last part describes a person like Edward, the Naruto equivalents being Sasuke and to a lesser extent, Naruto.
Sasuke is nothing like Edward, Edward is a horny teenage freak who sparkles and uses girls for fun. Sasuke is asexual closet homo who hates everything and wants nothing but Nii Sans dick. Your just hating now because you like Sakura and Naruto better than the most popular characters in the franchise Hinata and Sasuke.
You're the one who brought Bella Swan back into this, so I'm sorry that I've read the books and know exactly what I'm talking about.
I read em to, and Sakura is like Bella with Super Strength.

I'm not sure what point you have by saying this but whatever makes you feel better I guess.
Oh the irony.

Sasuke is a rouge ninja so he follows no one.
Doesn't change the fact he's a genin still.
Well, possibly Madara but since he doesn't consider him an ally it's hard to tell. You're still looking at them as characters. From an in story, it's the opposite. Nothing gives Naruto rank over Sakura, or Kiba, or Hinata, or anyone. He just happens to be a more powerful tool.

At this point of the story, the characters would follow Naruto more than Someone like Tsunade or Kakashi because he saved the village and proved himself.

So I guess since Choji passed on the info about Deva's powers, he also has the same amount of command. You're still incorrect though as Tsunade had previously ordered Naruto be called back to the village, meaning she wanted him back. The fact that he was there and about to fight Pain was exactly what she wanted.
But Naruto was gonna fight Pain anyway, it didn't matter what she wanted or how she needed Naruto right away. Naruto trained to fight Pain all along. Not for the sake of the village but for the murder if his godfather and mentor. Naruto could have easily taken control of Tsunade if he wanted since he has enough power to pwn her and anyone who dares to fight him. Theres a reason Tsunade envisioned the 4th and Naruto as the same person.
And you're already predicting the ending and using that as an argument, which is funny.
It's gonna happen. Theres no unknowns about it.

Which doesn't hold a candle to the Kage who rule the shinobi world. He is a tool of them at present time and until he becomes Hokage, or does save the world, that will not change.
Naruto is gonna be the messiah, the chossen one, and the bringer of peace. It won't matter who controls him, he'll act on his own perogative.

Which is why Yoshino and Kushina follow the mold huh? Kishi is matching them up based on character, not really tradition it would seem.
Yet their second to the men despite being tough to them because their wives, not leaders or absolute pilars of power. Japanese tradition still holds, men > women.

Now while I can't prove she cheated and you can't prove she didn't, I will point out that Hinata has never been described as intelligent as Sasuke, who accordingly couldn't answer a single one. She has the Byakugan so cheating would have been simple. And that was the purpose of the test so it makes sense that she'd cheat. Still missed the point entirely.
Well Hinata is no dummy, she's smarter than Neji in her databook 3 entry, she made her own medicene and her own jutsu. Hinata like Sakura has the potential of being both intellucually competant instead of skillful. Her tracking abilites require intellect, her jyukken insight in gentle fist requires intellect. It's no surprise she didn't cheat.

I've never said Naruto was wrong in putting down Sakura. I can't recall many times he has done so except recently, which I side with Sakura because Naruto did need to stop chasing Sasuke because it was emotionally wrecking him.
Naruto simply knows whats up, doesn't mean he should quit while he's ahead and give up his beliefs and his nindo. It's the reason why he's the main character, and Sakura isn't. Sakura simply just didn't realize how mature Naruto actually is in retrospect concering Sasuke, she always undermines him as a child even though he's stronger and has saved her life more than once. Kishimoto is telling us that Naruto is always right not wrong giving the audience more insight on his growth. Sakura missteped her boundries by adding bullshit on more bullshit.
Naruto is weird but Hinata is weirder
Both of them are equally weird.
His reasoning was that she always got quiet and stuff around him or something. Don't care enough to check. Didn't say he wasn't oblivious.
IMO, being a loudmouth, mischevious, retarded loser who dresses in orange instutes him being more weird than shy and soft spoken hyuuga heiresses.

Her personality and insecurities make sense to me perfectly. Bella's actually make some sense to me. Problem with Bella is she's really stupid and really too into Edward. And at least characters find Sakura attractive, whereas I've never seen anyone compliment Hinata's appearance.
Sakura and Bella have boy issues that are bordering on obessiveness. The similiarites are striking, and IMO INO > SAKURA in being more attactive.

Originally posted by killermover
Not compared to Ino's though. Plus she's still self conscious about her apperance and her looks, also Sasuke who she always loses confidence in herself with.

Meh, Ino and Sakura are rivals. And Ino has always seemed to be more confident. Doesn't discredit Sakura. When Sasuke left, she was very sad, but tried to improve herself to help Naruto. Bella became a mental case.

Bella isn't shy either, she had to have balls to keep chasing Edward without him eating her. Not only does Bella obsess over her perfect, no-personality boyfriend(Sasuke x Sakura in a nutshell), but all she wants from him is sex. Four 500 page books full of shit just so Bella can have sex with her god-like possessive, abusive boyfriend.(Again SasuSaku)

Being insane=/=not shy. In the first book she is very shy her first day of school and the only reason she made friends was because every boy(and girl) fell in love with her the first day. Any Naruto character has more personality in their big toe than a Twilight character. And Edward has one, it's just very uninteresting. Nah, it's written as true love. I don't think sex was mentioned until Eclipse though.

All she wants is Sasuke's emo penis. Thats her character in a nut shell. Notice all her interactions with plot relevant characters are with medics who like her have angst issues with dead dudes they fell in love with. Yeah, a real drama. 🙄 And Sakura isn't? She's all about men(specifically Sauce), and she wants a threesome with the two freaks. Wow, just wow.

I don't think Chiyo or Kakashi fall into that category. And I don't think her connections with them have anything to do with romance or death. She clearly has respect for all 3 and was willing to give her life for the one she knew the least about.

[quote[]he basically said, I'm still useless, I'll let the men handle it. Once again regressing her so called role as silly clumsy token woman cliche who needs to clean and cook and heal instead of fight or do something productive with herself. I admit, Hinata is a victim to this as well.[/quote]

Meh, Sasuke is way out of her ability or mental state to kill. She'd fight anyone and likely do well enough against them. Sasori fight still stands as a well enough example.

Didn't she pwn one of the Cullens in a fight with their abilites? That still constitutes as a moment of her being successful since she is a self insert of the author.

That was in the last book. And she was a vampire then. She was protected from certain vampire abilities when she was still human( thanks to bad writing) but any of the Cullens could still tear her to shreds with a pinky.

Sasuke is nothing like Edward, Edward is a horny teenage freak who sparkles and uses girls for fun. Sasuke is asexual closet homo who hates everything and wants nothing but Nii Sans dick. Your just hating now because you like Sakura and Naruto better than the most popular characters in the franchise Hinata and Sasuke.

Edward isn't that horny and has never used a girl before if I'm correct. And Sasuke is like him in that he left the village and is good at everything. That and he stares a lot. And Hinata wishes she was as popular as any of Team 7. Though I do wonder when I ever said I liked Sakura and Naruto better than Sasuke. Hinata I'll give you but I don't hate her.

I read em to, and Sakura is like Bella with Super Strength.

Except by the end of the series, she is physically the strongest vampire of the Cullens. And still not at all like Sakura.

Doesn't change the fact he's a genin still.

I could say the same thing about Naruto. Sasuke is playing by his own rules because he's an Uchiha, and that's what they do.

At this point of the story, the characters would follow Naruto more than Someone like Tsunade or Kakashi because he saved the village and proved himself.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Tsunade did keep most of the villagers alive during the battle and without Kakashi they would have died.

But Naruto was gonna fight Pain anyway, it didn't matter what she wanted or how she needed Naruto right away. Naruto trained to fight Pain all along. Not for the sake of the village but for the murder if his godfather and mentor. Naruto could have easily taken control of Tsunade if he wanted since he has enough power to pwn her and anyone who dares to fight him. Theres a reason Tsunade envisioned the 4th and Naruto as the same person. It's gonna happen. Theres no unknowns about it.

She summoned him back because he was her tool and she wanted to use it. Only thing that got in the way was Danzo. Naruto could not have taken the entire Leaf Village down, which is what he would have done if he raised a hand against the Hokage. And I'd figure Danzo could stop him in a fight but that's just me. Kakashi kamui's his head off.

Naruto is gonna be the messiah, the chossen one, and the bringer of peace. It won't matter who controls him, he'll act on his own perogative.

Well right now, he is on an island because the Kage's put him there. Don't matter what he will be but what he is at the moment, is a host. And a tool.

Yet their second to the men despite being tough to them because their wives, not leaders or absolute pilars of power. Japanese tradition still holds, men > women.

Which is why you yourself said Kushina wore the pants in the family right?

Well Hinata is no dummy, she's smarter than Neji in her databook 3 entry, she made her own medicene and her own jutsu. Hinata like Sakura has the potential of being both intellucually competant instead of skillful. Her tracking abilites require intellect, her jyukken insight in gentle fist requires intellect. It's no surprise she didn't cheat.

Databook says she was as smart as Neji in what was likely near when the first test took place. He cheated, so its reasonable that she cheated. Which was still the point of the test.

Naruto simply knows whats up, doesn't mean he should quit while he's ahead and give up his beliefs and his nindo. It's the reason why he's the main character, and Sakura isn't. Sakura simply just didn't realize how mature Naruto actually is in retrospect concering Sasuke, she always undermines him as a child even though he's stronger and has saved her life more than once. Kishimoto is telling us that Naruto is always right not wrong giving the audience more insight on his growth. Sakura missteped her boundries by adding bullshit on more bullshit.

He technically is going back on his word by dying with Sasuke, since he said he'd bring him back. Naruto really isn't all that mature. And I don't see why Naruto is so right. If he dies, Madara will just get the Kyuubi and the world would be screwed. Since he plans to die with Sasuke, the above is the likely outcome.

Both of them are equally weird.IMO, being a loudmouth, mischevious, retarded loser who dresses in orange instutes him being more weird than shy and soft spoken hyuuga heiresses.

Well the orange thing was probably put in to pay homage to his parents. He must not be too big of a loser if he beat Neji. I can use the word better for Hinata actually.

Sakura and Bella have boy issues that are bordering on obessiveness. The similiarites are striking, and IMO INO > SAKURA in being more attactive.

Hinata is obsessed with Naruto so she's in the same boat as Sakura. Scale of obsession goes like this: Bella>>>>>>>>>Hinata>Sakura. Meh, Ino may be more attractive than Sakura. Never really cared for Ino though.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Meh, Ino and Sakura are rivals. And Ino has always seemed to be more confident. Doesn't discredit Sakura. When Sasuke left, she was very sad, but tried to improve herself to help Naruto. Bella became a mental case.
Of course, the only reason she improved because she had a second chance to restart herself in her mind to bring back Sasuke and basically seek his acknowledgement and love from him without screwing up again and seeing his pain. This empowered by Naruto's equal motivation to bring back Sasuke to the old team 7 again and get Sakura to hopefully to smile again. Look how that turned out. Now she's back to being emo again.

Being insane=/=not shy. In the first book she is very shy her first day of school and the only reason she made friends was because every boy(and girl) fell in love with her the first day.
Again thats no different from Sakura who eventually became everyones friend by being pretty, associated with Naruto and Sasuke or just being a tsundere by nature. In the beging, Sakura was Bella as well in her kindergarden years. And eventually like Bella grew more confident and outspoken due to a crush on a emo kid and some supernatual string of fate tying her character with the plot.
Any Naruto character has more personality in their big toe than a Twilight character. And Edward has one, it's just very uninteresting. Nah, it's written as true love. I don't think sex was mentioned until Eclipse though.
It's a crappy story, lets just leave it at that.

I don't think Chiyo or Kakashi fall into that category.
How close was she to any of them though, Kakashi is at least her weakest bond to the team and he spent all his time training Naruto and Sasuke. Chiro, she was connected to Tsunade who was connected to Sakura as a parrelel comparison to Tsunade. And also a medic nin who's also effieciant in puppetry. The old lady was basically Sakura's plot device to make her seem more important to the plot like Naruto. Other than that, she only interacts with characters that tie to her own story(if she has one).
And I don't think her connections with them have anything to do with romance or death. She clearly has respect for all 3 and was willing to give her life for the one she knew the least about.
Then why is Chiyo dead for the sake of a man/grandson she loved, why is Tsunade who is the cloest parrellel to Sakura the bitter old lady who ended up like she did because of a man she loved. It's a bit sexist if you ask me, Sakura's story is completely interpeted on how men effect her growth and her feelings.

[quote[]he basically said, I'm still useless, I'll let the men handle it. Once again regressing her so called role as silly clumsy token woman cliche who needs to clean and cook and heal instead of fight or do something productive with herself. I admit, Hinata is a victim to this as well.[/quote]

Meh, Sasuke is way out of her ability or mental state to kill. She'd fight anyone and likely do well enough against them. Sasori fight still stands as a well enough example.[/quote]Sakura had a chance against Sasori, because Chiyo helped her exetremly against the guy. Sakura on her own couldn't hope to beat this guy, which means Sakura's potential as a ninja is only Plot earned.

That was in the last book. And she was a vampire then. She was protected from certain vampire abilities when she was still human( thanks to bad writing) but any of the Cullens could still tear her to shreds with a pinky.
Doesn't change the fact Bella rocked a Cullen, got the guy and produced another mary sue character who is twice a powerful as her and edward all the while being the most beautiful undead half vampire in the entire series.

Edward isn't that horny and has never used a girl before if I'm correct.
How many times has Edward used Bella's emotions to get what he wants because she's fickle and loves him. How many times has he taken advantage of not Bella but tons of fangirls that lubs his mysteriousness?
It's And Sasuke is like him in that he left the village and is good at everything.
No thats Itachi and Sesshomaru(Not that I would compare them to Edward including Sasuke), Sasuke is supposed to be Vegeta or Shadow.
That and he stares a lot.
All brooding anti heroes do that.
And Hinata wishes she was as popular as any of Team 7. Though I do wonder when I ever said I liked Sakura and Naruto better than Sasuke. Hinata I'll give you but I don't hate her.
Doesn't change the fact your comparing fail characters to the fandoms controversial ones. Do you like Sakura better than Hinata or Naruto better than Sasuke?

Except by the end of the series, she is physically the strongest vampire of the Cullens.
Sakura is the strongest kunoichi of her age group and gender with Hinata closing in at a second. But still, she will surpass Tsunade and probably be the strongest kunoichi in the world.
And still not at all like Sakura.
Thats fine by me, Hinata should be the strongest.

I could say the same thing about Naruto. Sasuke is playing by his own rules because he's an Uchiha, and that's what they do.
Sasuke is playing himself even he has no control over his own destiny, he's unconsciously doing Madara's bidding. Sasuke is supposed to be the lame pawn to the main villian and free of any independant thought.

Naruto however is playing by his own rules at this point of the story, and even decides to spare Sasuke when the world or Konoha tells him to kill him.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Tsunade did keep most of the villagers alive during the battle and without Kakashi they would have died.
Tsunade didn't even phase Pain, what she did was minor comapred to what Nagato did at the last minute and resurected everyone. Kishimoto once again emphasis, cocks > pussies.

She summoned him back because he was her tool and she wanted to use it. Only thing that got in the way was Danzo. Naruto could not have taken the entire Leaf Village down, which is what he would have done if he raised a hand against the Hokage. And I'd figure Danzo could stop him in a fight but that's just me. Kakashi kamui's his head off.
Naruto came because he was ready, Tsunade could have done crap to change the fact Naruto was following his own path to defeat Pain. Naruto also needed Shima to summon him back with a toad army and prep. Naruto was the only person who needed to stop Pain and only one who could stop him. The entire fate of his home and friends relied on his victory.

Well right now, he is on an island because the Kage's put him there. Don't matter what he will be but what he is at the moment, is a host. And a tool.
Yet he doesn't know along with Bee theres a War going on. Do really think if Kages told them about the War they'd sit around and not do something about it? It wasn't a matter of command, it was a matter of response. Naruto and Bee don't know about their true intentions by sending them to the island, they along with their escorts needed to be protected from Madara.

Which is why you yourself said Kushina wore the pants in the family right?
As a parent, not as a fighter or a superior ninja.

Databook says she was as smart as Neji in what was likely near when the first test took place.
Neji and Hinata are different. Neji being more pratical, and Hinata being cautious and level headed. At that time.
He cheated, so its reasonable that she cheated. Which was still the point of the test.
Sakura didn't cheat, and Hinata cheating isn't in her nature. This backed by Neji's words of her being pure and selfless. Theres no reason her personality correlates with her being a cheat.

He technically is going back on his word by dying with Sasuke, since he said he'd bring him back. Naruto really isn't all that mature.
He's more mature than Sakura is.
And I don't see why Naruto is so right. If he dies, Madara will just get the Kyuubi and the world would be screwed. Since he plans to die with Sasuke, the above is the likely outcome.
Don't you think that being stopping Madara first, Sasuke can be the final obstacle Naruto needs to save without the ultimate gap holding them apart? Who says Madara will be the final opponent to Naruto?

Well the orange thing was probably put in to pay homage to his parents. He must not be too big of a loser if he beat Neji. I can use the word better for Hinata actually.
Minato didn't wear orange. Besides that, he didn't even know he had an Uzumaki style before he met Kushina. And Neji? Naruto only beat him because he's the nine tailed junnchuriki and has strong ass genes. It had nothing to do with his circumstances of being a normal kid.

Hinata is obsessed with Naruto so she's in the same boat as Sakura. Scale of obsession goes like this: Bella>>>>>>>>>Hinata=Sakura. Even though Sakura goes more emo than both Bella and Hinata over their boys and is more pathetic afterwards.
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Meh, Ino may be more attractive than Sakura. Never really cared for Ino though.
She also has a better personality and needs to be the most improved out of the girls.

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Again thats no different from Sakura who eventually became everyones friend by being pretty, associated with Naruto and Sasuke or just being a tsundere by nature. In the beging, Sakura was Bella as well in her kindergarden years. And eventually like Bella grew more confident and outspoken due to a crush on a emo kid and some supernatual string of fate tying her character with the plot.

Mmm, but Sakura was actually nice to people outside of her crush (save for the ones she didn't get along with, mainly Naruto), and was helpful and smart in general, and shy young Sakura responded quickly when Ino was nice to her, and it's pretty clear all of the Rookie 9 are friends to various extents. Bella didn't particularly care about anyone around her or that they were nice to her, she was way more focused.

I hate this thread, now. You guys ruined it.

It should be filled with jokes, hentai, and playful insults. 😠